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  1. Ïîòåðÿ äåâñòâåííîñòè
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  1. Nelka
    #1
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    Ó ìåíÿ î÷åíü îáèëüíûå ìåñÿ÷íûå. ß òåðÿþ ìíîãî êðîâè. Èç-çà ýòîãî ïîñòîÿííàÿ ñëàáîñòü, ãîëîâîêðóæåíèÿ è äàæå ïîòåðÿ ñîçíàíèå. Ìîæåò ïîñîâåòóåòå ÷òî-íèáóäü ÷òî, ïîìîæåò áûñòðîé âûðàáîòêè êðîâè. Êàêèå ïðåïàðàòû, åäà, ïîâåäåíèå...

  2. reopoliglucin
    #2
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    Âîò êàêèå ðåêîìåíäàöè äàë áû Âàì êàæäûé âðà÷:

    1. Ñäåëàòü îáùèé àíàëèç êðîâè è îïðåäåëèòü ñûâîðîòî÷íîå æåëåçî.

    2. Âåñüìà âåðîÿòíà æåëåçîäèôèöèòíàÿ àíåìèÿ (áóäåò ÿñíî ïîñëå àíàëèçîâ).

    3. Îñìîòð ãèíåêîëîãà ïî÷åìó ñîáñòâåííî òàêàÿ êðîâîïîòåðÿ ïðîèñõîäèò è ÷òî äåëàòü...

    Âîò. Ïðîñòî òàê ïèòü ïðåïàðàòû æåëåçà íå ñîâåòóþ...

  3. Melnichenko
    #3
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    è , ÍÀ ÂÑßÊÈÉ ÑËÓ×ÀÉ , ÒÒà êðîâè - èíîãäà ïîíèæåííàÿ äåÿòåëüíîñòü ùèòîâèäíîé æåëåçû îòâåñòâåííà çà îáèëüíûå êðîâîïîòåðè è íàðóøåíèå óñâîåíèÿ æåëåçà .

  4. reopoliglucin
    #4
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    À âîò ïðî ýòî íå çíàë èëè çàáûë (íî ÷òî ñ íàñ, õèðóðãîâ, âçÿòü)... áóäó òåïåðü çíàòü è ïðèìåíÿòü (à òî áûëè ïîìíèòñÿ àíåìèÿ: ãàñòðî, êîëîíî, ãèíåêîëîã- íîðìà è ïèòàíèå âðîäå íîðìàëüíîå è êðîâîïîòåðè íåáûëî, à æåëåçî âñåâðåìÿ íèçêîå) Ñïàñèáî.

  5. Dr. Vad
    #5
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    Ìîæíî, êîíå÷íî, èññëåäîâàòü è äð. æåëåçîïîêàçàòåëè: ÎÆÑÑ, % íàñûùåíèÿ òðàíñôåððèíà, ôåððèòèí, íî óæå ïî ñèìïòîìàòèêå âèäíî, ÷òî ó ÷åëîâåêà åñëè íå àíåìèÿ, òî æåëåçîäåôèöèò íàëèöî. Ïîñëå ñäà÷è àíàëèçîâ, ñëåäóåò íà÷àòü ïðèíèìàòü ïðåïàðàòû æåëåçà èç ðàñ÷åòà 1,5-2 ìã èîííîãî (!) æåëåçà íà êã ìàññû òåëà äî íîðìàëèçàöèè ãåìîãëîáèíà, à çàòåì åùå â òå÷åíèè 6-9 ìåñ. (èëè äî íîðìàëèçàöèè óðîâíÿ ôåððèòèíà).

    Åñëè îáèëüíûå ìåñÿ÷íûå ñîïðîâîæäàþòñÿ áîëÿìè, òî íåñòåðîèäíûå ïðîòèâîâîñïàëèòåëüíûå ïðåïàðàòû (íàïðîêñåí, ôëóðáèïðîôåí, ìåôåíàìîâàÿ ê-òà) óìåíüøàò êàê áîëåâûå îùóùåíèÿ, òàê è êðîâîïîòåðþ (íà 20-30%), åñëè è ïîñëå ýòîãî îáèëüíîñòü êðîâîïîòåðè (ñâûøå 80-100 ìë êðîâè çà öèêë) âñå æå ñîõðàíèòñÿ, ñòîèò ïðèáåãíóòü ê íàçíà÷åíèè òðàíåêñàìîâîé êèñëîòû ïî 1,0 ãðàììó 3-4 ðàçà â ñóòêè â ïåðâûå 3 äíÿ, çàòåì 2 ðàçà â ñóòêè äî êîíöà âûäåëåíèé (50% ñíèæåíèÿ êðîâîïîòåðè). Áûòü ìîæåò è àìèíîêàïðîíîâàÿ èëè ÏÀÌÁÀ (òîæå àíòèôèáðèíîëèòèêè) òàêæå ñìîãóò ïîìî÷ü, íî îíè íå òåñòèðîâàëèñü â ïîäîáíûõ óñëîâèÿõ.

  6. Dr. Vad
    #6
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    Õîòåëîñü áû ïîäèñêóòèðîâàòü î öåëåñîîáðàçíîñòè ÒÒÃ, ôóíêöèè ÙÆ è æåëåçîäåôèöèòå: ñ óäîâîëüñòâèåì áû îçíàêîìèëñÿ ñ âàøèìè èñòî÷íèêàìè çíàíèé êàñàòåëüíî ôóíêöèè ÙÆ è îáèëüíûìè ìåíñòðóàëüíûìè êðîâîïîòåðÿìè; îïèðàÿñü íà íåáîëüøîå èññëåäîâàíèå

    [Incidence of sideropenia and effects of iron repletion treatment in women with subclinical hypothyroidism. Duntas LH, Papanastasiou L, Mantzou E, Koutras DA. Exp Clin Endocrinol Diabetes 1999;107(6):356-60] ìîæíî çàêëþ÷èòü ÷òî æåëåçîäåôèöèò íåðåäêîå ÿâëåíèå ïðè ãèïîôóíêöèè ÙÆ, ïðè÷åì íà ôîíå æåëåçîâîñïîëíåíèÿ ïîâûøàëñÿ Ò4 è ñíèæàëñÿ ÒÒÃ, òå äåôèöèò æåëåçà âûçûâàë ãèïîôóíêöèþ? Òàêæå âåñüìà âûñîêèì áûëà ÷àñòîòà âûÿâëåíèÿ àíòèòåë ê ÒÏÎ.  äðóãîì íåäàâíåì ýêñïåðèìåíòàëüíîì èññëåäîâàíèè [Iron deficiency anemia reduces thyroid peroxidase activity in rats. Hess SY, Zimmermann MB, Arnold M, Langhans W, Hurrell RF. J Nutr 2002 Jul;132(7):1951-5] òàêæå óêàçûâàåòñÿ ÷òî æåëåçîäåôèöèò íàðóøàåò ìåòàáîëèçì â ÙÆ è îäíèì èç îáüÿñíåíèé ÿâëÿåòñÿ ñíèæåíèå àêòèâíîñòè ÒÏÎ. Òàê ÷òî, ìîæåò âñå æå æåëåçîäåôèöèò îòâåòñòâåíåí çà íàðóøåíèÿ â ÙÆ, à íå íàîáîðîò?

  7. Melnichenko
    #7
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    Óâàæàåìûé äîêòîð Âàä !

    Äàþ ÷åñòíîå ñëîâî , ÷òî íå ñòîèò îáñóæäàòü ýòó òåìó â ïðåäëàãàåìîì Âàìè êëþ÷å . Ïðåäëàãàåìûå ÂÀìè ðàáîòû íå ñîâñåì íà ýòó òåìó , êàê íè ïîêàæåòñÿ ñòðàííûì .

    Ñèòóàöèÿ äîñòàòî÷íî áàíàëüíà ñ êëèíè÷åñêîé òî÷êè çðåíèÿ - òèðîöèòû ñòèìóëèðóþò ýðèòðîïîýç ( Âû ðàçðåøèòå íå îñîáî ññûëàòüñÿ íà ó÷åáíèêè , õîðîøî ? ) , ò.å. ÷èñòûé ãèïîòèðåîç per se - íîðìîõðîìíàÿ àíåìèÿ .

    Íàðóøåíèå âñàñûâàíèÿ æåëåçà è ïîòåðè æåëåçà ( ìåíîððàãèè - ðàçðåøèòå íå îñòàíàâëèâàòüñÿ íà èõ ãåíåçå ïðè ïåðâè÷íîì ãèïîòèðåîçå , ýòî òîæå áàíàëüíîñòü , ãåìîððîèäàëüíûå êðîâîòå÷åíèÿ -= îáñòèïàöèè ) ïëþñ íàðóøåíèÿ âñàñûâàíèÿ ôîëèåâîé êèñëîòû âåäóò ê æåëåçî - è ôîëèåâîäåôèöèòíîé àíåìèè , ñ ãèïîòèðåîçîì èììóííîãî ïðîèñõîæäåíèÿ àññîöèèðîâàíà ì.á. ïåðíèöèîçíàÿ àíåìèÿ .

    Âìåñòå ñ òåì êëèíèöèñòû ïîä÷åðêèâàþò , ÷òî ïðè ðàçâèâøåéñÿ àíåìèè îäíîãî óñòðàíåèÿ ãèïîòèðåîçà óæå íåäîñòàòî÷íî äëÿ ëèêâèäàöèè ñîáñòâåííî àíåìèè ( ïîåçä óæå óøåë ) , è íàðÿäó ñ êîððåêöèåé ãèïîòèðåîçà ðåêîìåíäóþò âîñïîëíèòü äåôèöèò æåëåçà .

    Ïîíÿòíî , ÷òî åñëè áû ãèïîòèðåîç âûçûâàëñÿ àíåìèÿìè , òî ëèêâèäàöèÿ àíåìèè ëèêâèäèðîâàëà áû ãèïîòèðåîç , ÷åãî â æèçíè íå áûâàåò , à â ÷èñëî äîñòîâåðíûõ äèàãíîñòè÷åñêèõ êðèòåðèåâ æåëåçîäåôèöèòíîé àíåìèè âõîäèë áû óðîâåíü ÒÒà , è êîíòðîëü çà îáåñïå÷åííîñòüþ óðîâíÿ æåëåçà îñóùåñòâëÿëñÿ áû òîæå ïî ýòîìó ïîêàçàòåëþ .

    Âìåñòå ñ òåì ïåðå÷èñëåííûå ìíîþ äàííûå âñåãäà âûçûâàëè èíòåðåñ êëèíèöèñòîâ ñ ïîçèöèé - êàêîâà ÷àñòîòà ÿâëåíèÿ â ïîïóëÿöèè ëèö ñ ãèïîòèðåîçîì è ïð . - âïîëíå ïîíÿòíûé èíòåðåñ . Êñòàòè , óòî÷íåíèå ìåòîäîâ äèàãíîñòèêè çàñòàâëÿåò ïåðåñìîòðåòü íåêîòîðûå ñòàðûå ïîëîæåíèÿ , â ÷àñòíîñòè . êàñàþùèåñÿ ðåïðîäóêòèâíûõ ðàñòðîéñòâ . Îäíà èç ïðîáëåì . êðóòÿùèõñÿ â ëèòåðàòóðå , ñëåäóþùàÿ - â ðåãèîíàõ ñ ãðóáûì èîäíûì äåôèöèòîì ó äåòåé ñ æåëåçîäåôèöèòíîñòüþ õóæå óñâîåíèå èîäà ( ýòî â ðàíäîìèçèðîâàííûõ èññëåäîâàíèÿõ ïîêàçàíî , õîòÿ ìåíÿ è ïîðàæàåò ýòè÷åñêèé êîìïîíåíò ýòîé ðàíäîìèçàöèè) . Âàøè êðûñû èç ýòîé îïåðû .

    Èñòîðèÿ ïðî ñèäåðîïåíèþ è ñóáêëèíè÷åñêèé ãèïîòèðåîç - ýòî èìåííî èñòîðèÿ ïðî ÑÓÁêëèíè÷åñêèé ãèïîòèðåîç , íà êîòîðûé íåò îñíîâàíèé àâòîìèòè÷åñêè ýêñòðàïîëèðîâàòü âñå , ÷òî ìû çíàåì î êëèíè÷åñêè ÿâíîì ãèïîòèðåîçå , ýòî îòäåëüíûå è äëèííûå çàìîðî÷êè , òàê , íàïðèìåð , ñóáêëèíè÷åñêèé ãèïîòèðîçå âîîáùå íå äîðîãà â îäíîì íàïðàâëåíèè - â êëèíè÷åñêè ÿâíûé ãèïîòèðåîç . Ñàìî ïîíÿòèå ñóáêëèíè÷åñêèé ãèïîòèðåîç ââåäåíî îêîëî 25 ëåò íàçàä, è åãî ïàòîôèçèîëîãè÷åñêàÿ ðîëü - ïðåäìåò ñåðüåçíîãî èçó÷åíèÿ . Âîò èç ýòîé îïåðû äðóãàÿ ññûëêà - ò.å. - ðåáÿòà , âîò ÷å áûâàåò - à ïî÷åìó - ýòî óæ äðóãîå äåëî ....

    Òåïåðü î ÷åì öèòèðîâàííûå ÂÀìè ðàáîòû - åñòü êîïåå÷íûé âêëàä , âíîñèìûé äåôèöèòîì æåëåçà â òûñÿ÷åäîëëàðîâóþ ïðîáëåìó - îáðàòèòå âíèìàíèå .

  8. V. ZAITSEV
    #8
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    Íàâåðíîå, Ãàëèíà Àôàíàñüåâíà ìåíÿ ïîïðàâÿò, íî àäàïöèîííûå âîçìîæíîñòè (õîòÿ áû ÷åðåç ÝÏÎ) îðãàíèçìà ê òàêèì, íåñêîëüêî ïîâûøåííûì ïîòåðÿì êðîâè äîñòàòî÷íî âåëèêè, îñîáåííî, åñëè æåíùèíà íå óáåæäåííûé âåãåòàðèàíåö. Ïî-âèäèìîìó, äëÿ ðàçâèòèÿ âûðàæåííîé àíåìèè íåîáõîäèìû è äðóãèå äîïîëíèòåëüíûå ôàêòîðû. Ê ïðèìåðó, òó÷íîñòü (ýñòðîãåíû èíãèáèòîðû ýðèòðîïîýçà). Ê ñëîâó, òå æå ýñòðîãåíû ìîãóò áûòü ïåðâîïðè÷èíîé îáèëüíûõ ìåíñòðóàöèé (ëåéîìèîìû).

  9. Dr. Vad
    #9
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    Óâàæàåìàÿ Ãàëèíà Àôàíàñüåâíà!

    Îãðîìíîå ñïàñèáî çà Âàø îòêëèê è ðàçüÿñíåíèÿ. Íî õîòåëîñü áû âñå æå ïðîäîëæèòü äèñêóññèþ óæå íåñêîëüêî â äðóãîì êëþ÷å, êàê âû èçâîëèëè âûðàçèòüñÿ, ýòî î âçàèìîñâÿçè îáèëüíûõ ìåíñòðóàöèé è ãèïîòèðåîçå. Ïðîñìàòðèâàÿ îïóáëèêîâàííóþ ëèòåðàòóðó, íàòêíóëñÿ íà èíòåðåñíóþ äèñêóññèþ â BMJ 2000 Mar 4;320(7235):649 è õîòåëîñü áû ïðèâåñòè åå ïîëíîñòüþ:

    Evidence supports association between hypothyroidism and menorrhagia.

    Prentice in his review of menorrhagia states that there is little evidence to link hypothyroidism with excessive menstrual loss.1 He supports this with reference to a retrospective analysis of the records of 50 patients with myxoedema.2 In this cohort 28 women (56%) complained of menstrual disturbance, with the most common complaint being menorrhagia (occurring in 18 (36%) of the women). The acid test of causation is, however, whether treatment of the condition corrects the menstrual dysfunction. In this study (which reported the women's perceived loss) and more recent studies in which the menstrual loss was measured3 treatment of hypothyroidism with thyroxine decreased menstrual blood loss.



    Hypothyroidism may be greatly underdiagnosed as a cause of menorrhagia. Wilansky tested for thyrotrophin releasing hormone in 67 women with menorrhagia who had normal concentrations of thyroxine and thyroid stimulating hormone.4 Fifteen (22%) had abnormal tests and were treated with thyroxine. Twenty four of the total cohort (who had not had surgery and remained without a definitive diagnosis) were followed up one to three years later. Of these, eight had been treated with thyroxine for an abnormal test result for thyrotrophin releasing hormone, and all considered their menstrual loss to have returned to normal. Of the remaining 16 (whose test results were normal) nine (56%) still complained of menorrhagia. These findings were later replicated in a study of women who had menorrhagia associated with intrauterine contraceptive devices.5



    All the available evidence supports a causative association between hypothyroidism and excessive menstrual loss. Some of the study methods are weak by modern standards, but in the absence of evidence to the contrary the conclusion must be that hypothyroidism is a correctable cause of menorrhagia. Prentice asserts that routine thyroid function tests are of no value in the investigation of women with menorrhagia. Maybe we are just conducting the wrong test of thyroid function, however, and all women with unexplained menorrhagia should be tested for thyrotrophin releasing hormone.



    Andrew D Weeks, specialist registrar in obstetrics and gynaecology. Jessop Hospital for Women, Sheffield S3 7RE aweeks@doctors.org.uk



    1. Prentice A. Medical management of menorrhagia. BMJ 1999; 319: 1343-1345(27 November.)

    2. Scott JC, Mussey E. Menstrual patterns of myxoedema. Am J Obstet Gynecol;90:161-5.

    3. Higham JM, Shaw RW. The effect of thyroxine replacement on menstrual blood loss in a hypothyroid patient. Br J Obstet Gynaecol 1992; 99: 695-696.

    4. Wilansky DL, Greisman B. Early hypothyroidism in patients with menorrhagia. Am J Obstet Gynecol 1989; 160: 673-677.

    5. Blum M, Blum G. The possible relationship between menorrhagia and occult hypothyroidism in IUD-wearing women. Adv Contracept 1992; 8: 313-317.



    Author's reply

    It is interesting how different people interpret the published literature. Weeks, in responding to my article, believes that the literature supports the concept that hypothyroidism is a significant cause of menorrhagia and consequently we should be assessing thyroid function in all women. This view is at odds with the guidance from the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists. The advice given in the college's Evidence Based Clinical Guidelines, where the same evidence was considered, is that thyroid function tests do not need to be routinely performed in the evaluation of menorrhagia.1 The reasons given were that in the studies examined menstrual blood loss was not objectively measured and the diagnosis of hypothyroidism relied on a test for thyrotrophin releasing hormone in patients with normal concentrations of thyroid stimulating hormone and thyroxine. 2 3



    The only case report in which objective measurement was performed included only one subject, which is not the implication in Weeks's letter. Hypothyroidism is a common clinical condition, and women are affected six times more commonly than men. It would not be surprising if in a proportion of women with menorrhagia hypothyroidism, clinical or subclinical, coexisted. The routine screening for thyroid disease is not recommended in asymptomatic adults,4 and the treatment of subclinical hypothyroidism is controversial.5 Weeks is advocating an expensive screening programme of unproved value. It is only reasonable routinely to test thyroid function in women with menorrhagia as part of a prospective study designed to address this specific question. Until that time we should follow national guidelines.2



    Andrew Prentice, consultant.

    Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, Box 233, Rosie Hospital, Cambridge CB2 2SW ap128@mole.bio.cam.ac.uk



    1. Royal College of Obstetrics and Gynaecology. The initial management of menorrhagia. Evidence based clinical guidelines No 1. London: RCOG, 1998.

    2. Wilansky DL, Greisman B. Early hypothyroidism in patients with menorrhagia. Am J Obstet Gynecol 1989; 160: 673-677.

    3. Blum M, Blum G. The possible relationship between menorrhagia and occult hypothyroidsism in IUD-wearing women. Adv Contracept 1992; 8: 313-317.

    4. US Preventive Services Task Force. Report of the US Preventive Service Task Force: guide to clinical preventive services. 2nd ed. Baltimore: Williams and Wilkins, 1996:209-218.

    5. Hanna FWF, Lazarus JH, Scanlon MF. Controversial aspects of thyroid disease. BMJ 1999; 319: 894-899.



     ñâÿçè ñ ýòèì õî÷åòñÿ ïîä÷åðêíóòü ñëåäóþùåå: îòñóòñòâóåò ÿâíàÿ/äîêàçàííàÿ ñâÿçü ìåæäó ãèïîòèðåîçîì è îáèëüíûìè ìåíñòðóàöèÿìè (ïî êðàéíåé ìåðå íà êîíåö 90-õ ãîäîâ). Åñëè Âû ðàñïîëàãàåòå áîëåå íîâåéøèìè äàííûìè, ïîäòâåðæäàþùèìè îáðàòíîå, áûëî áû âñå æå ëþáîïûòíî îçíàêîìèòüñÿ. Ãëÿäÿ íà îáðàç÷èê çàðóáåæíîé äèñêóññèè, ïðèÿòíî, êîãäà óòâåðæäåíèÿ àâòîðîâ ïîäêðåïëåíû îïóáëèêîâàííûìè äàííûìè, à íå çàÿâëÿþòñÿ ãîëîñëîâíî (âðîäå "îáùåèçâåñòåí òîò ôàêò, ÷òî...&quot èëè ïðîòàëêèâàþòñÿ àâòîðèòåòîì.

    Ñîãëàøóñü, ÷òî æåëåçîäåôèöèò è ãèïîòèðåîç óñóãóáëÿþò òå÷åíèå äðóã äðóãà, íî ÷òî íàõîäèòñÿ ó èñòîêîâ â êàæäîé êîíêðåòíîé êëèíè÷åñêîé ñèòóàöèè ïðåäñòîèò åùå âûÿñíÿòü è äîêàçûâàòü. Õîòü ÿâëÿþñü íåêðóïíûì ñïåöîì äàæå â ñâîåì äåëå, íî àáñòðàêòíî âûñêàæó ìûñëü, ÷òî ÒÏÎ ñîäåðæèò ìîëåêóëó æåëåçà è ïðî òîòàëüíîì òêàíåâîì äåôèöèòå íåäîñòàòîê æåëåçà äîëæåí ñêàçàòüñÿ íà ôóíêöèîíèðîâàíèè ÒÏÎ (ïî àíàëîãèè ñ äð. ïåðîêñèäàçàìè è äð. Få-ñîäåðæàùèìè ôåðìåíòàìè), ÷òî è íàáëþäàëè èññëåäîâàòåëè èç Øâåéöàðèè íà æèâîòíûõ. Âåðîÿòíî ïî ìåõàíèçìó îáðàòíîé ñâÿçè ìîæåò íàðóøàòüñÿ è âñàñûâàíèå éîäà, ÷òî îòìå÷àëîñü â óïîìÿíóòîì Âàìè èññëåäîâàíèè. Ýòî íå áîëåå, ÷åì ãèïîòåçû, íî åñëè âñå æå Âàì è äàëåå áóäåò èíòåðåñíî äèñêóòèðîâàòü â ýòèõ íàïðàâëåíèÿõ, çà âûõîäíûå óãëóáëþ ñâîè çíàíèÿ â ýòîé âåñüìà íîâîé äëÿ ìåíÿ ñòåçå è ïðîäîëæèì?

  10. Dr. Vad
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    Óâàæàåìûé äîêòîð Çàéöåâ!

    Ïîëüçóÿñü ñëó÷àåì, âíåñó íåêîòîðóþ ÿñíîñòü ê Âàøåìó êîììåíòàðèþ.

    Ýñòðîãåíû àíòàãîíèçèðóþò ñ ìåòàáîëèçìîì æåëåçà (÷òî â îáùåì è îïðåäåëÿåò íåñêîëüêî ñíèæåííûé óðîâåíü ãåìîãëîáèíà ó æåíùèí ïî ñðàâíåíèþ ñ ìóæ÷èíàìè), íî ñîãëàñíî íåäàâíåìó èññëåäîâàíèþ ó âñåõ (íå òîëüêî æåíñêîãî ïîëà) ïîäðîñòêîâ ñ èçáûòî÷íûì âåñîì ÷àùå îòìå÷àåòñÿ æåëåçîäåôèöèò [ Pinhas-Hamiel O, Newfield RS, Koren I, Agmon A, Lilos P, Phillip M. Greater prevalence of iron deficiency in overweight and obese children and adolescents. Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord 2003 Mar;27(3):416-418]. Îáèëüíûå ìåíñòðóàöèè áûâàþò íà ôîíå äîáðîêà÷åñòâåííûõ íîâîîáðàçîâàíèé ìàòêè, íî ïðè÷èííîñòü ýòîãî íå âñåãäà ïðåäñòàâëÿåòñÿ âîçìîæíûì ïîäòâåðäèòü [Medical management of menorrhagia A.Prentice. BMJ 1999;319:1343-1345]. Íåðåäêî â 10-20% ñëó÷àåâ ó òàêèõ ïàöèåíòîê âûÿâëÿþòñÿ ñêðûòûå ãåìîñòàòè÷åñêèå âðîæäåííûå äåôåêòû [Kadir RA, Economides DL, Sabin CA, Owens D, Lee CA. Frequency of inherited bleeding disorders in women with menorrhagia. ancet. 1998 Feb 14;351(9101):485-9.

    Dilley A, Drews C, Miller C, Lally C, Austin H, Ramaswamy D, Lurye D, Evatt B. von Willebrand disease and other inherited bleeding disorders in women with diagnosed menorrhagia.

    Obstet Gynecol. 2001 Apr;97(4):630-6].

    Õîòü àäàïòàöèîííûå âîçìîæíîñòè íàøèõ îðãàíèçìîâ è âåëèêè, íî ðåãóëÿðíàÿ ìåíîïîòåðÿ ñâûøå 80-90 ìë çà öèêë ïðèâîäèò ó æåíùèí ê æåëåçîäåôèöèòó (íå áåðóñü óòâåðæäàòü, íî äóìàþ, ÷òî ñîïîñòàâèìûå êðîâîïîòåðè ó ìóæñêîé ÷àñòè íàñåëåíèÿ - íàïðèìåð 3-4 ìë êðîâè ÷åðåç ÆÊÒ - ïðèâåäóò ê òîìó æå). Ñâÿçàíî ýòî ñ ðàçäåëüíûìè ïóòÿìè è ëèìèòèðîâàííûìè âîçìîæíîñòÿìè âñàñûâàíèÿ â êèøå÷íèêå è òðàíñïîðòèðîâêè â êðîâü ãåìîâîãî è èîííîãî æåëåçà. È ëèøü ñïîñîáíîñòü îðãàíèçìà ïðè íà÷èíàþùåéñÿ àíåìèè óâåëè÷èâàòü ïîñòóïëåíèå æåëåçà (ñ 5-6% îò ïðèíÿòîé äîçû äî 10-11%) ñäåðæèâàåò íà íåêîòîðîå âðåìÿ ðàçâèòèå àíåìèè, äàâàÿ äîï. àäàïòàöèîííûå âîçìîæíîñòè ê ôóíêöèîíèðîâàíèþ â óñëîâèÿõ ïîíèæåííîãî ãåìîãëîáèíà.

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    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    Óâàæàåìûé Dr. Vad !

    Ñïàñèáî, çà Âàøè çàìå÷àíèÿ. Íî ðàçðåøèòå îòìåòèòü:

    1. Èçëèøíÿÿ æèðîâàÿ òêàíü òó÷íîãî ìóæ÷èíû òàêæå ñïîñîáñòâóåò ïîâûøåííîìó óðîâíþ ó íåãî ýñòðîãåíîâ, ÷òî âïîëíå ñîãëàñóåòñÿ ñ Âàøèì óòî÷íåíèåì.

    2. Íàâåðíîå, íå ñòîèò âäàâàòüñÿ çäåñü â ðîëü ýñòðîãåíîâ, ïðîãåñòåðîíà, ôàêòîðîâ ðîñòà â îáðàçîâàíèè ëåéîìèîì. Ïîëàãàþ, ÷òî ãèíåêîëîãè ýíäîêðèíîëîãè ðàññêàæóò îá ýòîì íàìíîãî ëó÷øå ìåíÿ, íî òî ÷òî òàêèå íîâîîáðàçîâàíèÿ ìîãóò ñïîñîáñòâîâàòü îáèëüíûì ìåíñòðóàöèÿì, ïî-ìîåìó, îáùåèçâåñòíûé ôàêò. Äà è, âîîáùå, ïîâûøåííàÿ àêòèâíîñòü ýñòðîãåíîâ, êàê ïðàâèëî, ñïîñîáñòâóåò áîëåå îáèëüíûì ìåíñòðóàöèÿì. Åñòåñòâåííî, ýòî íå åäèíñòâåííàÿ èç âîçìîæíûõ ïðè÷èí èçáûòî÷íîé êðîâîïîòåðè ïðè ìåíñòðóàöèè. Ê ýòîìó ñëåäóåò äîáàâèòü ðàíåå îòìå÷åííîå âëèÿíèå ýñòðîãåíîâ íà ýðèòðîïîýç.

    3. Èññëåäîâàíèÿ, ñâÿçàííûå ñ ïåðèîäè÷åñêèìè êðîâîïîòåðÿìè ïðîâîäèëèñü â ñâÿçè ñ ïðîáëåìàìè äîíîðñòâà. Áåç äîïîëíèòåëüíûõ îòðèöàòåëüíûõ ôàêòîðîâ îðãàíèçì âïîëíå àäàïòèðóåòñÿ ñ êðîâîïîòåðÿìè, ñóùåñòâåííî ïðåâûøàþùèå îáîçíà÷åííûå Âàìè ãðàíèöû.



    P.S. Åù¸ íåáîëüøîå óòî÷íåíèå. Íå âñå îêñèäîðåäóêòàçû ñîäåðæàò èîíû æåëåçà. Íàïðèìåð, â ñóïåðîêñèääèñìóòàçå «ðàáîòàþò» ìåäü è öèíê.

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    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    Óâàæàåìûé äîêòîð Âàä !

    Îòâå÷àÿ ÂÀì â ïåðâîì ïîñëàíèè , ÿ èñïûòûâàëà îïðåäåëåííûé äèñêîìôîðò - âåäü ÿ ýíäîêðèíîëîã , è äîáàâèëà ê ðåêîìåíäàöèÿì ïî ïîâîäó ìåòðîððàãèè - àíåìèè äîñòàòî÷íî ïðèâû÷íîå â ìèðå - ãðóïïû ðèñêà ïî ãèïîòèðåîçó äîëæíû íà îíûé îáñëåäîâàòüñÿ - ò.å. åñëè åñòü àíåìèÿ íåÿñíîãî ãåíåçà èëè ìåíîððàãèè íåñìåðòåëüíî è íåîáðåìåíèòåëüíî èññëåäîâàòü ÒÒà êðîâè - 2 ÷àñà ðàáîòû è 2 äîëëàðà ñåáåñòîèìîñòü . ( ×åëîâå÷åñòâî âîîáùå îáñóæäàåò íåîáõîäèìîñòü ïîïóëÿöèîííîãî ñêðèíèíãà íà ãèïîòèðåîç â ñòàðøèõ âîçðàñòíûõ ãðóïïàõ )

    Ïîïóëÿöèîííûé ðèñê ãèïîòèðåîçà îêîëî 2 ïðîöåíòîâ , ïðîñòîòà èññëåäîâàíèÿ ïîçâîëÿåò âêëþ÷àòü åãî â àëãîðèòìà îáñëåäîâàíèÿ â íóæíûõ ñëó÷àÿõ . Ìíå ïîêàçàëîñü , ÷òî òàêàÿ ðåêîìåíäàöèÿ óìåñòíà .Îáû÷íî , êîãäà ÿ âûñòóàþ êàê âðà÷ è ó÷ó ñâîèõ âðà÷åé , ÿ ãîâîðþ - ëþáîé ðàçóìíûé ñîâåò ñòîèò èñïîëüçîâàòü , æèçíü ëþáèòü ñìåÿòüñÿ íàä ÷ðåçìåðíîé ñàìîóâåðåííîñòüþ . è åñëè òû îòðèíåøü ÐÀÇÓÌÍÛÉ ñîâåò , æèçíü ìîæåò ïîñìåÿòüñÿ íàä òîáîé . Äåâî÷êà çàäàåò âîïðîñ â è-íåòå , îíà äàëåêî , è ìîé ñîâåò íå ìîæåò ïðèíåñòè âðåä , íî ìîæåò ñòàü ðàçóìíûì ïäîïîëíåíèåì ê ïëàíó îáñëåäîâíàíèÿ .

    À âðà÷åáíàÿ äèñêóññèÿ î âçàèìîîòÿãîùåíèè çàáîëåâàíèé , îñëîæíåíèé çàáîëåâàíèé , ðîëè äåôèöèòà æåëåçà ïðè ñóáêëèíè÷åñêîì ãèïîòèðåîçå è èíôîðìèðîâàííîñòü ñîâðåìåííûõ ýíäîêðèíîëîãîâ î ÷àñòîòå ìåíîìåòðîððàãèé ïðè ãèïîòèðåîçå , ñîãëàñèòåñü , äðóãàÿ äèñêóññèÿ .

    Òðàäèöèîííî ( è åñëè Âû çàìåòèëè , ÿ ýòî óæå ïèñàëà ) ïðèíÿòî áûëî ãîâîðèòü î âûñîêîé ÷àñòîòå íàðóøåíèé ìåíñòðóàëüíîãî öèêëà ïðè ÏÅÐÂÈ×ÍÎÌ ãèïîòèðåîçå .

    Ãåíåç è ñïåêòð ýòèõ íàðóøåíèé âåñüìà îáøèðåí , è ó ìåíÿ íåò âðåìåíè íà ýòîì îñòàíàâëèâàòüñÿ , òåì áîëåå , ÷òî äàííûå ñóììèðîâàíû â çàùèùåíîé ïîä ìîèì íå ñëèøêîì ÷óòêèì ðóêîâîäñòâîì è ïðè àêòèâíîì ó÷àñòèè ìîäåðàòîðà ôîðóìà Òèðîíåò Â. Ôàäååâà â êàíäèäàòñêîé Ò.×åáîòíèêîâîé ( äâà ãðèôà - ãèíåêîëîãèÿ è ýíäîêðèíîëîãèÿ ) .

    Ñàìà èäåÿ äèñññåðòàöèè âî ìíîãîì ïåðåêëèêàëàñü ñ îïóáëèêîâàííûì íåñêîëüêî ëåò íàçàä ( íå ïîìíþ , ïåðåâîäèë ëè Â.Â. Ôàäååâ íà ðóññêèé ÿçûê ) îáçîðîì â Thyroid International , ãäå òàêæå ñóììèðîâàíû ñîâðåìåííûå äàííûå î ñóùåñòâåííî ìåíüøåé ÷àñòîòå íàðóøåíèé ìåíñòðóàëüíîãî öèêëà , ÷åì ïðèíÿòî áûëî ñ÷èòàòü ðàíåå , ñâÿçàííîé ñ ãèïîòèðåîçîì è î íåîáõîäèìîñòè èõ ðåàëüíîé ðåâèçèè . Òàíèíà äèññåðòàöèÿ è âõîäèëà â ýòîò ðåâèçèðîííûé ïóë , è , âî âñÿêîì ñëó÷àå óâåëè÷åíèå ÷àñòîòû ãèïåðïëàçèé ýíäîìåòðèÿ íå âûÿâëåíî .

    ß óæå ïðèâîäèëà è äàííûå ïî õóäøåé óòèëèçàöèè èîäà äåòüìè ñ àíåìèåé â ÀÔÐÈÊÅ ( ò.å. â ðàéîíå ÃÐÓÁÎÃÎ èîäíîãî äåôèöèòà ) .

    Èç âñåãî èç ýòîãî îòíþäü íå ñëåäóåò , ÷òî äåâî÷åê ñ àíåìèåé íåò ñìûñëà îäíîêðàòíî îáñëåäîâàòü íà ãèïîòèðåîç , ÷òî àíåìèÿ ñàìà ïî ñåáå âåäåò ê ãèïîòèðåîçó è ÿâëÿåòñÿ åãî îñíîâíîé ïðè÷èíîé ( ïðîñòåéøèå êëèíè÷åñêèå ñîîáðàæåíèÿ ÿ èçëîæèëà ) èëè ÷òî íå íàäî ëå÷èòü æåëåçîäåôèöèòíûå ñîñòîÿíèÿ èëè ÷òî íå íàäî ïîâòîðíî , â ñîîòâåñòâèè ñ ðåêîìåíäàöèÿìè , ïðèíÿòûìè âî âñåì ìèðå , êîíòðîëèðîâàòü ÒÒà ïðè ñóáêëèèí÷åñêîé ãèïîòèðåîçå ÷åðåç 3-6 ìåñ . áåç ëå÷åíèÿ ãèïîòèðåîçà , èëè ÷òî íå íàäî ïðîâîäèòü ðàíäîìèçèðîâàííûå ðàáîòû íà ýòó òåìó , èëè ÷òî íàäî ïðîñòåéøèå êëèíè÷åñêèå ðåêîìåíäàöèè áîëüíûì îáúåäèíÿòü â äëèííóþ âðà÷åáíóþ äèñêóññèþ . Ìíå áûëî áû ïðèÿòíî ãîâîðèòü íà âðà÷åáíûå òåìóû , ñâÿçàííûå ñ ãèïîòèðåîçîì , â ðóáðèêå "Òèðîíåò" äëÿ âðà÷åé.

    ß ïëîõî ñåáå ïðåäñòàâëÿþ ñóáñòðàò íàøåãî ñïîðà - åñëè Âû ñ÷èòàåòå íóæíûì äîêàçàòü , ÷òî äåôèöèò æåëåçà ñàì ïî ñåáå âåäåò ê îáðàòèìîìó ãèïîòèðåîçó ( ïîâòîðþñü , ÷òî ìû ïîñòîÿííî êîíñóëüòèðóåì â ìíîãîïðîôèëüíîé êëèíèêå è â ïîäîáíîì âàðèàíòå ïðîáëåìà íå âîçíèêàëà ) , òî ÂÀì íàäî ñòðîèòü èññëåäîâàíèå ïî òèïó case -control , ãäå íà êàæäûé ñëó÷àé ñóáêëèíè÷åñêîãî ãèïîòèðåîçà ñ æåëåçîäåôèöèòíîé àíåìèåé ( Âû íå èìååòå ïðàâà ïî ýòè÷åñêèì ñîîáðàæåíèÿì íå ëå÷èòü êëèíè÷åñêè ÿâíûé ãèïîòèðåîç ) íàäî áðàòü îäèí ñëó÷àé ñóáêëèíè÷åñêîãî ãèïîòèðåîçà áåç æåëåçîäåôèöèòíîñòè òîãî æå âîçðàñòà è ïîëà , ïîñëåäíèé íàáëþäàòü , ïåðâûé ëå÷èòü , âîññòàíàâëèâàÿ äåôèöèò æåëåçà . ×åðåç ïîëãîäà ïîñìîòðåòü , â êàêîì ïðîöåíòå ñëó÷àåâ íå ïîäòâåðäèòñÿ ôàêò ñóáêëèíè÷åñêîãî ãèïîòèðåîçà

    Ó÷èòûâàÿ , ÷òî ïðèìåðíî â 20 ïðîöåíòàõ ñóáêëèíè÷åñêèé ãèïîòèðåîç ïåðåõîäèò â íîðìàëüíîå ñîñòîÿíèé , Âû ìîæåòå ðàññ÷èòàòü íåîáõîäèìóþ âûáîðêó è çàïëàíèðîâàòü èññëåäîâàíèå ( ýòî ïðèìåðíûé äèçàéí äëÿ îòâåòà íà âîïðîñ î ÊËÈÍÈ×ÅÑÊÎÉ çíà÷èìîñòè âûäâèíóòîé Âàìè ãèïîòåçû ).

    Ìû ñ óäîâîëüñòâèåì îïóáëèêóåì ÂÀøó ðàáîòó , îíà âíåñåò ñóæåñòâåííûé âêëàä â ýíäîêðèíîëîãèþ . À â ÷åì Âû âèäèòå ñóáñòðàò ñïîðà ?

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    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    Óâàæàåìûé äîêòîð Çàéöåâ!

    Ïîçâîëüòå ìíå åùå ðàç ïðèâåñòè íåêîòîðûå ïîëîæåíèÿ è âçãëÿäû ñîãëàñíî íåäàâíî îïóáëèêîâàííûì ìàòåðèàëàì, à íå ññûëàòüñÿ íà ìíåíèÿ êîëëåã èëè äð. èñòî÷íèêè ñ ñîìíèòåëüíîé äîñòîâåðíîñòüþ.

    Ïî ïåðâîìó âàøåìó çàìå÷àíèþ ïðèâåäó ëèøü íåêîòîðûå äàííûå, êîòîðûå ãîâîðÿò, ÷òî ó æåíùèí èçëèøíèé âåñ êîððåëèðóåò ñêîðåå ñ óðîâíåì àíäðîãåíîâ (à òàêæå ëåïòèíîâ, èíñóëèíà, êîðòèçîëà), à íå ýñòðîãåíîâ (õîòÿ è òàêèå áîëåå ðàííèå ïóáëèêàöèè èìåëè ìåñòî áûòü), íî ýòî òàêæå íå âñåìè ïðèçíàííûé óñòàíîâëåííûé ôàêò! Èáî ñóùåñòâóþò ðàçëè÷íûå òèïû îæèðåíèÿ, ÷òî ìîæåò îáüÿñíÿòü ðàçëè÷èÿ â ïîëó÷åííûõ èññëåäîâàíèÿõ.

    Ó ìóæ÷èí æå ïîâûøåííûé óðîâåíü òåñòîñòåðîíà è ãîðìîíà ðîñòà îáðàòíî ïðîïîðöèîíàëåí èíäåêñó ìàññû òåëà è ñòåïåíè îæèðåíèÿ â òî âðåìÿ êàê äëÿ äðóãèõ ïîëîâûõ ãîðìîíîâ êîððåëÿöèÿ íå âûÿâëÿåòñÿ, íî ó ÷ðåçìåðíî òó÷íûõ ìóæ÷èí ìîæåò îòìå÷àòüñÿ ïîâûøåííûé óðîâåíü ýñòðàäèîëà, âåðîÿòíî çà ñ÷åò ïðÿìîé òðàíñôîðìàöèè àíäðîãåíîâ â ýñòðîãåíû â æèðîâîé òêàíè, ÷òî â òî÷íîñòè ïîäòâåðæäàåò âàøå 1-å âûñêàçûâàíèå, íî íèêàê íå íàîáîðîò - ÷òî ýñòðîãåíû îáóñëàâëèâàþò îæèðåíèå ó ìóæ÷èí.

    Soygur T, Kupeli B, Aydos K, Kupeli S, Arikan N, Muftuoglu YZ. Effect of obesity on prostatic hyperplasia: its relation to sex steroid levels. Int Urol Nephrol. 1996;28(1):55-9.

    Garaulet M, Perex-Llamas F, Fuente T, Zamora S, Tebar FJ. Anthropometric, computed tomography and fat cell data in an obese population: relationship with insulin, leptin, tumor necrosis factor-alpha, sex hormone-binding globulin and sex hormones. Eur J Endocrinol. 2000 Nov;143(5):657-66.

    Vermeulen A, Kaufman JM, Goemaere S, van Pottelberg I. Estradiol in elderly men. Aging Male. 2002 Jun;5(2):98-102.



    Ïî âòîðîìó Âàøåìó çàìå÷àíèþ ñêàæó, ÷òî êðîìå òîãî, ÷òî äåéñòâèòåëüíî ïîâûøåí óðîâåíü ýñòðîãåíîâ/ïðîãåñòåðîíà â íåêîòîðûå ôàçû öèêëà ó ïîâûøåííî-ìåíñòðóèðóþùèõ, íî òàêæå âûñîêè óðîâíè ïðîñòàãëàíäèíîâ, àðãèíèí âàçîïðåññèíà, ïîâûøåíà ëîêàëüíàÿ ôèáðèíîëèòè÷åñêàÿ àêòèâíîñòü.

    Acta Obstet Gynecol Scand Suppl 1983;113:63-7 Prostaglandins and the non-pregnant uterus. The pathophysiology of primary dysmenorrhea. Pulkkinen MO.

    Ïîýòîìó åñëè íå òðåáóåòñÿ êîððåêöèÿ öèêëà/êîíòðàöåïöèÿ, òî ãèíåêîëîãè÷åñêèå ìàíèïóëÿöèè ñ ãîðìîíàìè íå ïðèíîñÿò âèäèìûõ æåëàåìûõ ðåçóëüòàòîâ, à âîò óãíåòåíèå ñèíòåçà ïðîñòàãëàíãèíîâ (ÍÏÂÑ) è ôèáðèíîëèçà äîñòîâåðíî ñíèæàåò êðîâîïîòåðþ.

    Medical management of menorrhagia. A.Prentice. BMJ 1999;319:1343-1345



    Òðåòüå ïðîñòî îñòàâëþ áåç êîììåíòàðèåâ, èáî âî âñåì öèâèëèçîâàííîì ìèðå äîíîðàì íàçíà÷àþò ïðåïàðàòû æåëåçà è íå ðàçðåøàûóò äîíîðèòü ÷àùå 2-3 ðàç â ãîä.

    À â ìåíåå öèâèëèçîâàííûõ (ê êàêîâûì ê ñîæàëåíèþ ïðèõîäèòñÿ è îòíîñèòü íàøè ñ âàìè ñòðàíû) äîíîðàìè ñòàíîâÿòñÿ ïîíåâîëå è óæå óæ òî÷íî íèêîìó íåò äåëà äî èõ ðåàëüíîãî æåëåçíîãî ñòàòóñà â îðãàíèçìå.

    J Ayub Med Coll Abbottabad 2002 Apr-Jun;14(2):24-7 Effect of frequent blood donations on iron stores of non anaemic male blood donors.

    Badar A, Ahmed A, Ayub M, Ansari AK.

    Department of Physiology, Ayub Medical College, Abbottabad. badar@ayubmed.edu.pk

    BACKGROUND: A healthy blood donor loses about 225 mg of iron per donation. This loss is made up very quickly by mobilizing the iron stores in form of ferritin, followed by replenishing the iron stores if diet is adequate. The situation, however, is different for donors with high frequency of blood donations. Their iron stores are under a constant pressure. In the absence of iron replacement this can lead to emptying of iron stores. We undertook this study to evaluate the effect of frequent blood donations on iron stores of regular male blood donors in Karachi. METHODS: This study was carried out at Department of Physiology, BMSI, JPMC, Karachi. Our subjects were 8 groups each with 20 non-anaemic male donors, of 20-40 years age (total = 160). The first group was 'control group' that comprised of first time donors, while the rest 7 groups comprised of donors who had donated 1-7 times in the last two years, the latest being at least 3 months back. The iron stores were measured by determining serum ferritin levels. RESULTS: We found reduction in serum ferritin with increasing frequency of blood donations that became very significant in donors donating 4 or more times in the last two years. Finding of 40% and 50% iron deficient subjects in the groups donating 6 and 7 times in two years respectively was a surprise for us, as this much high frequency has not been reported from elsewhere. We have tried to justify this extraordinary high frequency with the studies reporting low iron status of Pakistanis and Karachi population. CONCLUSIONS: Iron deficiency is very common in regular blood donors of Karachi, there is an immediate need to educate the donors about iron supplementation and yearly ferritin checking of so called 'super donors'.



    Sao Paulo Med J 2001 Jul;119(4):132-4

    Iron deficiency in blood donors.

    Cancado RD, Chiattone CS, Alonso FF, Langhi DM Jr, Alves Rd.

    Hematology and Hemotherapy Department, Faculty of Medical Sciences, Santa Casa de Sao Paulo, Sao Paulo, Brazil.

    CONTEXT: Blood donation results in a substantial loss of iron (200 to 250 mg) at each bleeding procedure (425 to 475 ml) and subsequent mobilization of iron from body stores. Recent reports have shown that body iron reserves generally are small and iron depletion is more frequent in blood donors than in non-donors. OBJECTIVE: The aim of this study was to evaluate the frequency of iron deficiency in blood donors and to establish the frequency of iron deficiency in blood donors according to sex, whether they were first-time or multi-time donors, and the frequency of donations per year. DESIGN: From September 20 to October 5, 1999, three hundred blood donors from Santa Casa Hemocenter of Sao Paulo were studied. DIAGNOSTIC TESTS: Using a combination of biochemical measurements of iron status: serum iron, total iron-binding capacity, transferrin saturation index, serum ferritin and the erythrocyte indices. RESULTS: The frequency of iron deficiency in blood donors was 11.0%, of whom 5.5% (13/237) were male and 31.7% (20/63) female donors. The frequency of iron deficiency was higher in multi-time blood donors than in first-time blood donors, for male blood donors (7.6% versus 0.0%, P < 0.05) and female ones (41.5% versus 18.5%, P < 0.05). The frequency of iron deficiency found was higher among the male blood donors with three or more donations per year (P < 0.05) and among the female blood donors with two or more donations per year (P < 0.05). CONCLUSIONS: We conclude that blood donation is a very important factor for iron deficiency in blood donors, particularly in multi-time donors and especially in female donors. The high frequency of blood donors with iron deficiency found in this study suggests a need for a more accurate laboratory trial, as hemoglobin or hematocrit measurement alone is not sufficient for detecting and excluding blood donors with iron deficiency without anemia.

  14. Dr. Vad
    #14
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    Óâàæàåìàÿ Ãàëèíà Àôàíàñüåâíà!

    Îãðîìíîå ñïàñèáî çà ïîäðîáíûé îòâåò è ïðåäëîæåíèÿ î âîçìîæíûõ ïóáëèêàöèÿõ. Ìíå âîîáùå íå íðàâèòñÿ ñïîðèòü: ñòàðàþñü íå ïðèíèìàòü ó÷àñòèÿ â íèõ èëè ñðàçó âûõîæó èç íåãî. Ìíå êàæåòñÿ, ÷òî ìû ñ âàìè äèñêóòèðóåì è ýòî âñåãäà îáîþäîïîëåçíî äëÿ ó÷àñòâóþùèõ â öåëÿõ ïîëó÷åíèÿ áîëåå íîâîé ïîëíîé èíôîðìàöèè î ñîñòîÿíèè ìåäèöèíû íà òåêóùèé ìîìåíò, ïîýòîìó ìîæåì åå ïðîäîëæàòü â ëþáîì äëÿ Âàñ áîëåå óäîáíîì ìåñòå, ïðîñòî ïðèøëèòå ìíå ññûëêó.

    Îäíàêî, õîòÿ è ïåðâè÷íûé ãèïîòèðåîç è ìîæåò áûòü îòâåòñòâåíåí çà ðàçëè÷íûå íàðóøåíèÿ â ìåñÿ÷íîì öèêëå, íî îòñóòñòâóþò (çà èñêëþ÷åíèåì åäèíè÷íûõ íàáëþäåíèé) äàííûå, ÷òî îí âûçûâàåò îáèëüíûå êðîâåâûäåëåíèÿ íà ôîíå íîðìàëüíûõ öèêëè÷íûõ ìåíñòðóàöèé.

     ñâÿçè ñ òåì, ÷òî ðàñïðîñòðàíåííîñòü æåëåçîäåôèöèòà [íå àíåìèé!] (äî 30-40% ó æåíùèí, ñâûøå 50% ó äåòåé) ñ ëèõâîé ïåðåêðûâàåò òàêîâóþ äëÿ ãèïîòèðåîçà, ëîãè÷íî áûëî áû çàêëþ÷èòü, ÷òî åñëè Fe-äåôèöèò è íå âûçûâàåò ãèïîòèðåîç, òî âñå æå ñóùåñòâóåò âûñîêàÿ âåðîÿòíîñòü èõ ñîñóùåñòâîâàíèÿ, ÷òî âû è ìîæåòå íàáëþäàòü â Âàøåé êëèíèêå, îïèðàÿñü íà ìîþ ñòàòèñòèêó è ÷òî ãèïîòèðåîç ÷àùå âûÿâëÿåòñÿ ó æåíùèí, òî íåñëîæíî ïðåäóãàäàòü, ÷òî æåëåçîäåôèöèò âûÿâèòñÿ ó êàæäîé âòîðîé-òðåòüåé.

    Áîëåå öåëåñîîáðàçíûì íà ìîé âçãëÿä áóäåò ðàçìåñòèòü íà Âàøåì ñàéòå ïåðåâîä (íå îøèáóñü, åñëè ñêàæó, ÷òî ìíîãèå íàøè êîëëåãè íå ïîíèìàþò àíãëèéñêîãî) óæå îïóáëèêîâàííûõ â ìèðîâîé ëèòåðàòóðå ñòàòåé, ïîêàçûâàþùèõ çíà÷èìîñòü æåëåçà â ãåíåçå è ëå÷åíèè ãèïîôóíêöèè ÙÆ.



    Mayo Clin Proc 2000 Feb;75(2):189-92 Anemia: a cause of intolerance to thyroxine sodium.

    Shakir KM, Turton D, Aprill BS, Drake AJ 3rd, Eisold JF.

    Department of Internal Medicine, National Naval Medical Center, Bethesda, Md., 20889-5600, USA.

    Usual causes of intolerance to thyroxine sodium include coronary artery disease, advanced age, untreated adrenal insufficiency, and severe hypothyroidism. We describe 4 patients with iron deficiency anemia and primary hypothyroidism. After treatment with thyroxine sodium, these patients developed palpitations and feelings of restlessness, which necessitated discontinuation of the thyroid hormone. After the anemia was treated with ferrous sulfate for 4 to 7 weeks, they were able to tolerate thyroxine sodium therapy. Iron deficiency anemia coexisting with primary hypothyroidism results in a hyperadrenergic state. In such patients, we postulate that thyroid hormone administration causes palpitations, nervousness, and feelings of restlessness. Correction of any existing pronounced anemia in hypothyroid patients who are intolerant to thyroxine sodium therapy may result in tolerance to this agent.



    Am J Clin Nutr 2002 Apr;75(4):743-8

    Treatment of iron deficiency in goitrous children improves the efficacy of iodized salt in Cote d'Ivoire.

    Hess SY, Zimmermann MB, Adou P, Torresani T, Hurrell RF.

    Human Nutrition Laboratory, the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology, Zurich, Switzerland.

    BACKGROUND: In many developing countries, children are at high risk of both goiter and iron deficiency anemia. Iron deficiency adversely affects thyroid metabolism and may reduce the efficacy of iodine prophylaxis in areas of endemic goiter. OBJECTIVE: The aim of this study was to determine whether iron supplementation in goitrous, iron-deficient children would improve their response to iodized salt. DESIGN: We conducted a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial in 5-14-y-old children in Cote d'Ivoire. Goitrous, iron-deficient children (n = 166) consuming iodized salt (10-30 mg I/kg salt at the household level) were supplemented with either iron (60 mg Fe/d, 4 d/wk for 16 wk) or placebo. At 0, 1, 6, 12, and 20 wk, we measured hemoglobin, serum ferritin, serum transferrin receptor, whole-blood zinc protoporphyrin, thyrotropin, thyroxine, urinary iodine, and thyroid gland volume (by ultrasonography). RESULTS: Hemoglobin and iron status at 20 wk were significantly better after iron treatment than after placebo (P < 0.05). At 20 wk, the mean reduction in thyroid size in the iron-treated group was nearly twice that in the placebo group (x +/- SD percentage change in thyroid volume from baseline: -22.8 +/- 10.7% compared with -12.7 +/- 10.1%; P < 0.01). At 20 wk, goiter prevalence was 43% in the iron-treated group compared with 62% in the placebo group (P < 0.02). There were no significant differences between groups in whole-blood thyrotropin or serum thyroxine at baseline or during the intervention. CONCLUSIONS: Iron supplementation improves the efficacy of iodized salt in goitrous children with iron deficiency. A high prevalence of iron deficiency among children in areas of endemic goiter may reduce the effectiveness of iodine prophylaxis.



    Eur J Endocrinol 2002 Dec;147(6):747-53

    Addition of microencapsulated iron to iodized salt improves the efficacy of iodine in goitrous, iron-deficient children: a randomized, double-blind, controlled trial.

    Zimmermann MB, Zeder C, Chaouki N, Torresani T, Saad A, Hurrell RF.

    The Human Nutrition Laboratory, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology, Seestrasse 72/PO Box 474, CH-8803 Ruschlikon, Switzerland. michael.zimmermann@ilw.agrl.ethz.ch

    OBJECTIVE: In many developing countries, children are at high risk for both goiter and anemia. Iron (Fe) deficiency adversely effects thyroid metabolism and reduces efficacy of iodine prophylaxis in areas of endemic goiter. The study aim was to determine if co-fortification of iodized salt with Fe would improve efficacy of the iodine in goitrous children with a high prevalence of anemia. DESIGN AND METHODS: In a 9-month, randomized, double-blind trial, 6-15 year-old children (n=377) were given iodized salt (25 microg iodine/g salt) or dual-fortified salt with iodine (25 microg iodine/g salt) and Fe (1 mg Fe/g salt, as ferrous sulfate microencapsulated with partially hydrogenated vegetable oil). RESULTS: In the dual-fortified salt group, hemoglobin and Fe status improved significantly compared with the iodized salt group (P<0.05). At 40 weeks, the mean decrease in thyroid volume measured by ultrasound in the dual-fortified salt group (-38%) was twice that of the iodized salt group (-18%) (P<0.01). Compared with the iodized salt group, serum thyroxine was significantly increased (P<0.05) and the prevalence of hypothyroidism and goiter decreased (P<0.01) in the dual-fortified salt group. CONCLUSION: Addition of encapsulated Fe to iodized salt improves the efficacy of iodine in goitrous children with a high prevalence of anemia.



    Int J Vitam Nutr Res 2002 Oct;72(5):296-9

    The relation between serum ferritin and goiter, urinary iodine and thyroid hormone concentration.

    Azizi F, Mirmiran P, Sheikholeslam R, Hedayati M, Rastmanesh R.

    Endocrine Research Center, Shaheed Beheshti University of Medical Sciences, Tehran, I.R. Iran. azizi@erc-iran.com

    OBJECTIVE: Many children are at high risk of both goiter and iron deficiency in Iran. Because iron deficiency may impair the efficacy of iodine supplementation, the aim of this study was to determine the relation between serum ferritin and goiter, urinary iodine, and thyroid hormones following iodized salt supplementation. DESIGN: A cross-sectional study of schoolchildren in 26 Iranian provinces. METHODS: In a national iodine deficiency disorders (IDD) monitoring program, 36,178 schoolchildren, approximately 1200 from each province, received goiter grading by WHO criteria. Urine and serum samples were collected from 2917 children and assayed for urinary iodine and serum ferritin, T4, T3, and thyroid-stimulating hormone (TSH) concentrations. RESULTS: Total goiter rates were 80 and 20% in children with ferritin concentrations < 10 mg/dL and > or = 10 mg/dL, respectively (p < 0.001). Increased serum T3 and decreased resin T3 uptake was present in those with lower serum ferritin levels; however, free T3 and T4 index, serum T4, and TSH were not significantly different between those with low and normal ferritin. CONCLUSION: Iron deficiency is associated with a high prevalence of goiter in Iranian schoolchildren.



    Thyroid 2002 Oct;12(10):867-78

    The impact of iron and selenium deficiencies on iodine and thyroid metabolism: biochemistry and relevance to public health.

    Zimmermann MB, Kohrle J.

    Laboratory for Human Nutrition, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology, Zurich, Switzerland.

    Several minerals and trace elements are essential for normal thyroid hormone metabolism, e.g., iodine, iron, selenium, and zinc. Coexisting deficiencies of these elements can impair thyroid function. Iron deficiency impairs thyroid hormone synthesis by reducing activity of heme-dependent thyroid peroxidase. Iron-deficiency anemia blunts and iron supplementation improves the efficacy of iodine supplementation. Combined selenium and iodine deficiency leads to myxedematous cretinism. The normal thyroid gland retains high selenium concentrations even under conditions of inadequate selenium supply and expresses many of the known selenocysteine-containing proteins. Among these selenoproteins are the glutathione peroxidase, deiodinase, and thioredoxine reductase families of enzymes. Adequate selenium nutrition supports efficient thyroid hormone synthesis and metabolism and protects the thyroid gland from damage by excessive iodide exposure. In regions of combined severe iodine and selenium deficiency, normalization of iodine supply is mandatory before initiation of selenium supplementation in order to prevent hypothyroidism. Selenium deficiency and disturbed thyroid hormone economy may develop under conditions of special dietary regimens such as long-term total parenteral nutrition, phenylketonuria diet, cystic fibrosis, or may be the result of imbalanced nutrition in children, elderly people, or sick patients.

  15. Dr. Vad
    #15
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    Óâàæàåìàÿ Ãàëèíà Àôàíàñüåâíà!

    Ïåðåíåñ äèñêóññèþ íà òèðîíåò, êàê Âû æåëàëè.

    Áóì ïðîäîëæàòü íà Âàøåì ïîëå,

    Âàäèì.

Êëèíèêà ñòîìàòîëîãèè è êîñìåòîëîãèè â Ìîñêâå

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