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  1. Ãäå îïåðèðîâàòü?
    îò Äàøà â ðàçäåëå Òðàâìàòîëîã-îðòîïåä
    Îòâåòîâ: 5
    : 09.03.2008, 23:06
  2. Îïåðèðîâàòü èëè ëå÷èòü
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    : 09.12.2007, 22:35
  3. Ãèãðîìà. Îïåðèðîâàòü?
    îò andmen_a1 â ðàçäåëå Õèðóðã
    Îòâåòîâ: 1
    : 15.04.2005, 13:04
  4. Îáÿçàòåëüíî ëè îïåðèðîâàòü
    îò Yuliya â ðàçäåëå Òðàâìàòîëîã-îðòîïåä
    Îòâåòîâ: 2
    : 08.03.2005, 13:16
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    : 05.05.2004, 16:47
  1. Àâàòàð äëÿ mikestyle Íîâè÷îê
    ñîîáùåíèé
    1
    Çäðàâñòâóéòå
    Ìíå 55 ëåò. èìåþ äèàãíîç àäåíîìà ïðåäñòàòåëüíîé æåëåçû 2 ãîäà. Ñóáúåêòèâíî æàëîáû íà âÿëóþ ñòðóþ, íî÷üþ âñòàþ 1-2 ðàçà. Ñåé÷àñ ïî ÓÇÈ ðàçìåð ïðîñòàòû 54õ42õ52, îñòàòî÷íàÿ ìî÷à 80 ìë. Ïîëñëåäíèé ìåñÿö ïðèíèìàþ ñåòåãèñ 2 ìã, äî ýòîãî çîêñîí. Àíàëèç íà ÏÑÀ ãîä íàçàä áûë áåç ïàòàëîãèè.
    Ïîðà ëè ìíå çàäóìàòüñÿ îá îïåðàöèè?
    Ñ óâàæåíèåì

  2. Àâàòàð äëÿ YYM êàòåãîðèÿ: ìåäèöèíñêèå ÝÊÑÏÅÐÒÛ, ìîäåðàòîðû, êîíñóëüòàíòû Nedug.Ru :::::
    ñîîáùåíèé
    6,898
    Åñëè íåò ïðîñòàòèòà, òî ñêîðåå âñåãî îïåðèðîâàòüñÿ.
    ê.ì.í. Ìàõìóäîâ ßêîâ ßêîâëåâè÷ / óðîëîã, àíäðîëîã, âðà÷ ÓÇÄ, âûñøàÿ êâàëèôèêàöèîííàÿ êàòåãîðèÿ
    ê.ì.í. Ìàõìóäîâà Ëþäìèëà Àðòåìîâíà /íåâðîëîã, óðîëîã, íåéðîóðîëîã

    íàø càéò :: Çàïèñü íà ïðèåì / Cïðàâî÷íèê ïî óðîëîãèè / Êîíòàêòû
    çàïèñü: òåë. 8(495)517 417 2 / ICQ 279116025

  3. Àâàòàð äëÿ uroleg2 êàòåãîðèÿ: ìåäèöèíñêèå ÝÊÑÏÅÐÒÛ, ìîäåðàòîðû, êîíñóëüòàíòû Nedug.Ru :::::
    ñîîáùåíèé
    3,830
    Áëîã1
    Çàäóìàòüñÿ ïîðà...
    Ðåøàéòå ýòîò âîïðîñ ñîâìåñòíî ñî ñâîèì ëå÷àùèì äîêòîðîì.
    Ñ óâàæåíèåì.
    30.09.
    Âàëüäøòåéí Îëåã Ìèõàéëîâè÷,
    âðà÷-óðîëîã âûñøåé êàòåãîðèè.
    Ïðèåì: ïÿòíèöà ñ 9 äî 15, âîñêðåñåíüå ñ 15 äî 21
    Òåëåôîí àäìèíèñòðàòîðà "Êëèíèêè íà Âëàäèìèðñêîé": 306-43-66, 306-01-52

  4. Àâàòàð äëÿ sergei20 Ìóäðåö
    ñîîáùåíèé
    911
    Ïîêàçàíèÿìè ê îïåðàòèâíîìó ëå÷åíèþ àäåíîìû ìîãóò ñëóæèòü:
    ðåöèäèâèðóþùèå êðîâîòå÷åíèÿ, íå ïîääàþùèåñÿ òåðàïèè èíãèáèòîðàìè 5 àëüôàðåäóêòàçû,
    ïîâòîðÿþùèåñÿ îñòðûå çàäåðæêè ìî÷è, èëè îñòðàÿ çàäåðæêà ìî÷è ñ êîòîðîé íå óäàåòñÿ ñïðàâèòüñÿ,
    ïîâòîðÿþùàÿñÿ ìî÷åâàÿ èíôåêöèÿ, ðåôðàêòåðíàÿ ê àíòèáèîòèêîòåðàïèè,
    ïî÷å÷íàÿ íåäîñòàòî÷íîñòü,
    êàìíè ìî÷åâîãî ïóçûðÿ,
    íàðàñòàþùèé îñòàòî÷íûé îáúåì ìî÷è.

    Åñëè ó Âàñ íè÷åãî ýòîãî íåò, èìååò ñìûñë çàäóìàòüñÿ îá àäåêâàòíîé êîíñåðâàòèíîé òåðàïèè. Âàì áåçóñëîâíî ïîêàçàí Ôèíàñòåðèä, ïðåïàðàò, êîòîðûé óìåíüøàåò îáúåì ïðåäñòàòåëüíîé æåëåçû. Åãî ýôôåêò íà÷èíàåòñÿ ÷åðåç 6 ìåñÿöåâ ïðèåìà è ïîçâîëÿåò óìåíüøèòü îáúåì æåëåçû íà 30%.

    Âòîðîå : ñåòåãèñ â äîçå 2 ìã, ýòî èçâèíèòå, íè î ÷åì.  êàêîé äîçèðîâêå Âû ïðèíèìàëè çîêñîí è ðåãóëÿðíî ëè? Äîçó íóæíî ïîäíèìàòü ïîñòåïåííî, ïðè Âàøåì çàáîëåâàíèè äî 10 ìã, òîãäà áóäåò õîòü êàêîé--òî ýôôåêò, è íå áóäåò òàêîé îñòàòî÷íîé ìî÷è. Òîëüêî ïîñëå íåýôôåêòèâíîãî àäåêâàòíîãî êîíñåðâàòèâíîãî ëå÷åíèÿ èìååò ñìûñë ïîäóìàòü îá îïåðàöèè è îæèäàåìûõ áëàãàõ, à òàêæå ðèñêàõ, êîòîðûå ñ íåé ñâÿçàíû.
    Ïîñëåäíèé ðàç ðåäàêòèðîâàëîñü sergei20; 30.09.2008 â 23:18.

  5. Àâàòàð äëÿ YYM êàòåãîðèÿ: ìåäèöèíñêèå ÝÊÑÏÅÐÒÛ, ìîäåðàòîðû, êîíñóëüòàíòû Nedug.Ru :::::
    ñîîáùåíèé
    6,898
    Îñòàòî÷íûé îáúåì ìî÷è 80 ìë â 55 ëåò ÿâëÿåòñÿ àäåêâàòíîé ïðè÷èíîé äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû çàäóìàòüñÿ îá îïåðàòèâíîì ëå÷åíèè.
    Íàçíà÷åíèå àíòèàíäðîãåííîãî Ôèíàñòåðèäà â âîçðàñòå 55 ëåò... äæëÿ ýòîãî òðóäíî íàéòè ïîäõîäÿùèé òåðìèí. Íî è â èíûõ îáñòîÿòåëüñòâàõ äëÿ âûíåñåíèÿ ñóæäåíèé î ïîêàçàíèÿõ ê åãî íàçíà÷åíèþ íåîáõîäèìà èíôîðìàöèÿ î ìîðôîëîãèè çîíû ãèïåðïëàçèè.
    Âîïðîñ î ìàëîèíâàçèâíîì îïåðàòèâíîì ëå÷åíèè íåîáõîäèìî ðåøàòü ñâîåâðåìåííî, êàê ýòî äåëàåòñÿ âî âñåì ìèðå, èíà÷å ñëåäóþò ðèñêè òÿæåëîé îïåðàöèè.
     äàííîì ðàçäåëå íå äàþòñÿ áåçàïïåëÿöèîííûå çàî÷íûå ñîâåòû ïî ëå÷åíèþ, êîòîðûå ìîãóò ïîñëóæèòü ïðè÷èíîé íàíåñåíèÿ âðåäà çäîðîâüþ ïîñåòèòåëåé ôîðóìà. È ýòî õîðîøî.
    ê.ì.í. Ìàõìóäîâ ßêîâ ßêîâëåâè÷ / óðîëîã, àíäðîëîã, âðà÷ ÓÇÄ, âûñøàÿ êâàëèôèêàöèîííàÿ êàòåãîðèÿ
    ê.ì.í. Ìàõìóäîâà Ëþäìèëà Àðòåìîâíà /íåâðîëîã, óðîëîã, íåéðîóðîëîã

    íàø càéò :: Çàïèñü íà ïðèåì / Cïðàâî÷íèê ïî óðîëîãèè / Êîíòàêòû
    çàïèñü: òåë. 8(495)517 417 2 / ICQ 279116025

  6. Àâàòàð äëÿ sergei20 Ìóäðåö
    ñîîáùåíèé
    911
    Íàçíà÷åíèå àíòèàíäðîãåííîãî Ôèíàñòåðèäà â âîçðàñòå 55 ëåò... äæëÿ ýòîãî òðóäíî íàéòè ïîäõîäÿùèé òåðìèí
    Ïîÿñíèòå ïîæàëóéñòà ñâîþ ìûñëü, ïî÷åìó â 55 ëåò ó ìóæ÷èíû ñ æåëåçîé â 60 êóá.ñì ïðîòèâîïîêàçàí ôèíàñòåðèä?
    Ïîñëåäíèé ðàç ðåäàêòèðîâàëîñü sergei20; 01.10.2008 â 00:24.

  7. Àâàòàð äëÿ uroleg2 êàòåãîðèÿ: ìåäèöèíñêèå ÝÊÑÏÅÐÒÛ, ìîäåðàòîðû, êîíñóëüòàíòû Nedug.Ru :::::
    ñîîáùåíèé
    3,830
    Áëîã1
    À ÷òî, íåóæåëè ìîåãî ïîñòà ("...Çàäóìàòüñÿ ïîðà... Ðåøàéòå ýòîò âîïðîñ ñîâìåñòíî ñî ñâîèì ëå÷àùèì äîêòîðîì.") íåäîñòàòî÷íî?
    Ñ óâàæåíèåì.
    01.10.
    Âàëüäøòåéí Îëåã Ìèõàéëîâè÷,
    âðà÷-óðîëîã âûñøåé êàòåãîðèè.
    Ïðèåì: ïÿòíèöà ñ 9 äî 15, âîñêðåñåíüå ñ 15 äî 21
    Òåëåôîí àäìèíèñòðàòîðà "Êëèíèêè íà Âëàäèìèðñêîé": 306-43-66, 306-01-52

  8. Àâàòàð äëÿ YYM êàòåãîðèÿ: ìåäèöèíñêèå ÝÊÑÏÅÐÒÛ, ìîäåðàòîðû, êîíñóëüòàíòû Nedug.Ru :::::
    ñîîáùåíèé
    6,898
    Äðåâíèé Êèòàé ñâîèìè óñïåõàìè âî ìíîãîì áûë îáÿçàí åâíóõàì. "Óðîëîãè" ñïîñîáíû ïîìî÷ü Ðîññèè.
    ê.ì.í. Ìàõìóäîâ ßêîâ ßêîâëåâè÷ / óðîëîã, àíäðîëîã, âðà÷ ÓÇÄ, âûñøàÿ êâàëèôèêàöèîííàÿ êàòåãîðèÿ
    ê.ì.í. Ìàõìóäîâà Ëþäìèëà Àðòåìîâíà /íåâðîëîã, óðîëîã, íåéðîóðîëîã

    íàø càéò :: Çàïèñü íà ïðèåì / Cïðàâî÷íèê ïî óðîëîãèè / Êîíòàêòû
    çàïèñü: òåë. 8(495)517 417 2 / ICQ 279116025

  9. Àâàòàð äëÿ sergei20 Ìóäðåö
    ñîîáùåíèé
    911
    íåóæåëè ìîåãî ïîñòà ("...Çàäóìàòüñÿ ïîðà... Ðåøàéòå ýòîò âîïðîñ ñîâìåñòíî ñî ñâîèì ëå÷àùèì äîêòîðîì.") íåäîñòàòî÷íî?
    äóìàþ, ÷òî íåäîñòàòî÷íî, ïîòîìó, ÷òî çà äâà ãîäà ïàöèåíò òàê è íå âûÿñíèë ó âðà÷à êàê ïðàâèëüíî êîíñåðâàòèâíî ëå÷èòü àäåíîìó ïðåäñòàòåëüíîé æåëåçû. Ïîýòîìó ÿ âçÿë íà ñåáÿ ýòîò òðóä. Çàäóìàòüñÿ ìîæíî î ÷åì óãîäíî, íî

    1. ïàöèåíò íå ïåðå÷èñëèë íè îäíîãî ïîêàçàíèÿ ê îïåðàòèâíîìó ëå÷åíèþ, åñëè äîâåðÿòü ðåêîìåíäàöèÿì åâðîïåéñêîé óðîëîãè÷åñêîé àññîöèàöèè, à ÿ èì ïî÷åìó-òî äîâåðÿþ
    2. Êîíñåðâàòèâíîå ëå÷åíèå ïðîâîäèëîñü ïàöèåíòó íåàäåêâàòíî (íèçêèå äîçèðîâêè, îòñóòñòâèå èíãèáèòîðîâ 5 àëüôîðåäóêòàçû)

    Íå âèæó íè îäíîé ïðè÷èíû, ïî÷åìó íå äîíåñòè ýòó èíôîðìàöèþ äî ïàöèåíòà, îí èìååò ïðàâî åå çíàòü
    Ïîñëåäíèé ðàç ðåäàêòèðîâàëîñü sergei20; 01.10.2008 â 23:16.

  10. Àâàòàð äëÿ YYM êàòåãîðèÿ: ìåäèöèíñêèå ÝÊÑÏÅÐÒÛ, ìîäåðàòîðû, êîíñóëüòàíòû Nedug.Ru :::::
    ñîîáùåíèé
    6,898
    Íåäàâíî ïåðå÷èòûâàë Ñàëòûêîâà-Ùåäðèíà. Îðãàí÷èê â ãîëîâå, êðóòî.
    ê.ì.í. Ìàõìóäîâ ßêîâ ßêîâëåâè÷ / óðîëîã, àíäðîëîã, âðà÷ ÓÇÄ, âûñøàÿ êâàëèôèêàöèîííàÿ êàòåãîðèÿ
    ê.ì.í. Ìàõìóäîâà Ëþäìèëà Àðòåìîâíà /íåâðîëîã, óðîëîã, íåéðîóðîëîã

    íàø càéò :: Çàïèñü íà ïðèåì / Cïðàâî÷íèê ïî óðîëîãèè / Êîíòàêòû
    çàïèñü: òåë. 8(495)517 417 2 / ICQ 279116025

  11. Àâàòàð äëÿ uroleg2 êàòåãîðèÿ: ìåäèöèíñêèå ÝÊÑÏÅÐÒÛ, ìîäåðàòîðû, êîíñóëüòàíòû Nedug.Ru :::::
    ñîîáùåíèé
    3,830
    Áëîã1
    Öèòàòà Ñîîáùåíèå îò YYM Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
    Íåäàâíî ïåðå÷èòûâàë Ñàëòûêîâà-Ùåäðèíà. Îðãàí÷èê â ãîëîâå, êðóòî.

    Íó è ÷òî? "Îðãàí÷èê", "êèòàé÷èê"..., à âîïðîñ áûë: "Ïîðà ëè ìíå çàäóìàòüñÿ îá îïåðàöèè?" - è âñ¸...
    ß íà íåãî îòâåòèë.
    Ñ óâàæåíèåì.
    02.10.
    Âàëüäøòåéí Îëåã Ìèõàéëîâè÷,
    âðà÷-óðîëîã âûñøåé êàòåãîðèè.
    Ïðèåì: ïÿòíèöà ñ 9 äî 15, âîñêðåñåíüå ñ 15 äî 21
    Òåëåôîí àäìèíèñòðàòîðà "Êëèíèêè íà Âëàäèìèðñêîé": 306-43-66, 306-01-52

  12. Àâàòàð äëÿ YYM êàòåãîðèÿ: ìåäèöèíñêèå ÝÊÑÏÅÐÒÛ, ìîäåðàòîðû, êîíñóëüòàíòû Nedug.Ru :::::
    ñîîáùåíèé
    6,898
    Âû îòìåòèëèñü. Ïðîäóáëèðîâàëè. Âàñ çàìåòèëè )
    ê.ì.í. Ìàõìóäîâ ßêîâ ßêîâëåâè÷ / óðîëîã, àíäðîëîã, âðà÷ ÓÇÄ, âûñøàÿ êâàëèôèêàöèîííàÿ êàòåãîðèÿ
    ê.ì.í. Ìàõìóäîâà Ëþäìèëà Àðòåìîâíà /íåâðîëîã, óðîëîã, íåéðîóðîëîã

    íàø càéò :: Çàïèñü íà ïðèåì / Cïðàâî÷íèê ïî óðîëîãèè / Êîíòàêòû
    çàïèñü: òåë. 8(495)517 417 2 / ICQ 279116025

  13. Àâàòàð äëÿ uroleg2 êàòåãîðèÿ: ìåäèöèíñêèå ÝÊÑÏÅÐÒÛ, ìîäåðàòîðû, êîíñóëüòàíòû Nedug.Ru :::::
    ñîîáùåíèé
    3,830
    Áëîã1
    Íå îòìåòèëñÿ, à îòâåòèë...
    È çàêðûë òåìó.
    03.10.
    Âàëüäøòåéí Îëåã Ìèõàéëîâè÷,
    âðà÷-óðîëîã âûñøåé êàòåãîðèè.
    Ïðèåì: ïÿòíèöà ñ 9 äî 15, âîñêðåñåíüå ñ 15 äî 21
    Òåëåôîí àäìèíèñòðàòîðà "Êëèíèêè íà Âëàäèìèðñêîé": 306-43-66, 306-01-52

  14. Àâàòàð äëÿ sergei20 Ìóäðåö
    ñîîáùåíèé
    911
    Äðåâíèé Êèòàé ñâîèìè óñïåõàìè âî ìíîãîì áûë îáÿçàí åâíóõàì. "Óðîëîãè" ñïîñîáíû ïîìî÷ü Ðîññèè.
    Äîâîëüíî ñòðàííî îò âðà÷à ñëûøàòü ïîäîáíóþ àðãóìåíòàöèþ.

    Ìíå áû íå õîòåëîñü, ÷òîáû ó ïàöèåíòà ñëîæèëîñü ïðåâðàòíîå ìíåíèå è ïðåäóáåæäåíèå ïðîòèâ ïðåïàðàòà, ïîýòîìó íåìíîãî îáúåêòèâíîé èíôîðìàöèè áåç ýìîöèîíàëüíîãî êîìïîíåíòà è ýëåìåíòîâ çàïóãèâíèÿ:

    Äàííûå ïðèâåäåííûå â êëèíè÷åñêîì ðóêîâîäñòâå ïî ëå÷åíèþ ÄÃÏÆ Åâðîïåéñêîé Óðîëîãè÷åñêîé Àññîöèàöèè
    These are mainly related to sexual function. In the PLESS study the side effects reported were decreased libido
    (6,4%), impotence (8,1%), decreased ejaculate (3,7%) and in less than 1% of the patients other disorders such
    as rash, breast enlargement and breast tenderness (9). All these figures were higher than those observed for
    placebo. Such side-effects are considered ‘minimal’ since they did not increase over time and did not cause
    many patients to discontinue their treatment. In a recent publication from the PLESS study group it was shown
    that the finasteride-related sexual adverse experiences occurred mainly during the first year of therapy (18).
    Another conclusion from the PLESS study was that in both older and younger men with symptomatic BPH,
    finasteride had the same safety profile and no drug interactions of clinical importance were observed
    Ò.å. ïî äàííûì èññëåäîâàíèé ôèíàñòåðèäà òàêèå îñëîæíåíèÿ êàê ñíèæåíèå ëèáèäî, ýðåêòèëüíàÿ äèñôóíêöèÿ, óìåíüøåíèå îáúåìà ýÿêóëÿòà âñðå÷àëèñü â 6% 8% è â 4% , à áîëåçíåííîñòü ñîñêîâ è óâåëè÷åíèå èõ â ðàçìåðàõ - ìåíåå ÷åì â 1%. Ñèìòîìû â áîëüøèíñòâå ñâîåì èìåëè ñëàáóþ âûðàæåííîñòü, ïðîÿâëÿëèñü ïðåèìóùåñòâåííî òîëüêî â ïåðâûé ãîä ïðèåìà è íå ñëóæèëè ïîâîäîì äëÿ îòìåíû ëå÷åíèÿ.

    È îòòóäà æå ïî ýôôåêòèâíîñòè
    Today, after the completion of many trials, the efficacy of 5-alpha reductase inhibitors is unquestionable
    and has been demonstrated over large clinical trials. It can reduce the size of the prostate gland by 20-30%;
    it improves symptom scores by approximately 15% and can also cause a moderate improvement in the urinary
    flow rate of 1.3-1.6 mL/s (1-4).
    A meta-analysis of six randomized clinical trials showed that baseline prostate volume was a key
    predictor of various treatment outcomes and that finasteride was more effective in prostates larger than
    40 mL (5). Various trials have concluded that finasteride significantly reduced acute urinary retention and the
    need for surgical treatment in men with BPH
    (6-8). In a major placebo controlled trial including 3,040 men,
    finasteride-treated patients had significantly less bother, activity interference and worry due to urinary
    symptoms.
    Ò. î. ýôôåêòèâíîñòü ïðåïàðàòà áåññïîðíà, îí íàèáîëåå ýôôåêòèâåí ó ëþäåé ñ ïðåäñòàòåëüíîé æåëåçîé ðàçìåðîì áîëåå 40 êóá. ñì, çíà÷èòåëüíî ñíèæàåò ðàçâèòèå îñòðîé çàäåðæêè ìî÷è è íåîáõîäèìîñòü õèðóðãè÷åñ÷êîãî ëå÷åíèÿ.
    Ïîñëåäíèé ðàç ðåäàêòèðîâàëîñü sergei20; 05.10.2008 â 11:47.

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