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×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
Î÷åðåäíîé áðåä.
Òî ÷òî ïðîïàë íàëåò íà ÿçûêå îòíþäü íå ÿâëÿåòñÿ î÷åâèäíûì ïîçèòèâíûì ýôôåêòîì ïðèìåíåííîãî ñðåäñòâà.
Õàïíèòå êîðòèêîñòåðîèäîâ.. ïðåäíèçîëîí íàïðèìåð. ßçûê òîæå î÷èñòèòñÿ.
Âûñîêèå äîçû âèòàìèíà Ñ èíãèáèðóþò èììóííûé îòâåò, ïðèâîäÿò ê èçáûòî÷íîé è íåíóæíîé\âðåäíîé èíäóêöèè âûðàáîòêè èíòåðôåðîíîâ è ðÿäà äðóãèõ ïðî-âîñïàëèòåëüíûõ ôàêòîðîâ âíà÷àëå ñ äàëüíåéøåé óñèëåííîé ñåêðåöèåé èìóííî-ñóïðåññèâíûõ ôàêòîðîâ, êîòîðàÿ èìååò â òàêîì ñëó÷àå êîìïåíñàòîðíûé õàðàêòåð.
Î äà ... åùå òîëüêî XMRV è ïðî÷åãî "íåîðåëèãèîçíîãî" ã-íà íàì òóò íå õâàòàåò.
Íó êîíå÷íî.."íà äðóãîé ñòîðîíå" òðàâà âñåãäà çåëåíåå... è ëþäè óìíåå... àãà...
Òåáå òàì íàñîâåòóþò... àãà. Ëó÷øå ñïðîñè êòî òàì âûçäîðîâåë èëè äîñòèã ñîñòîÿíèÿ ÷òîáû áîëåå-ìåíåå íîðìàëüíî æèòü çàáèâ íà ìèçåð îñòàâøèõñÿ ñèìïòîìîâ.
Ñîîáùåñòâî ôàíàòè÷íûõ è ìîæíî äàæå ñêàçàòü ðåëèãèîçíûõ ôðèêîâ, êîòîðûå â ñâîåì áîëüøèíñòâå íàíîñÿò ñåáå è äðóã äðóãó âðåä.
×òî çàáàâíî, ÷òî äàæå ïî ñïåöèôèêå âàøåãî áðåäà ìîæíî ñ î÷åíü âûñîêîé òî÷íîñòüþ îïðåäåëèòü ãäå èìåííî âû åãî íà÷èòàëèñü.
À âîò ýòîãî êàêðàç íå íàäî!
ß âàñ î÷åíü óáäèòåëüíî ïðîøó èçáàâèòü ýòó âåòêó è ïîäîáíîãî áðåäà!
Âû ÷òî äóìàåòå ÷òî êðîìå âàñ âåñü òîò "àõòóíã", êîòîðûé òâîðèòüñÿ íà çàïàäå íèêòî íå ÷èòàåò?
Óâåðÿþ âàñ -÷èòàåò(è óëûáàåòñÿ) è áåç ãóãë ïåðåâîä÷èêà â îòëè÷èè îò âàñ.
Ïðåäóïðåæäàþ âàñ ñðàçó äâà ðàçà -ïåðâûé è ïîñëåäíèé:
âñåâîçìîæíûå óïîìèíàíèÿ î áîððåëèÿõ, "òèê-áîðí" çàáîëåâàíèÿõ , ïðî÷èõ ,êàê âû âûðàçèëèñü, [ïàðàçèòàõ], à òàêæå çàãàøíèêîâ ôàðì êîíöåðíîâ çàñòàâèò ìåíÿ ïðèíÿòü ìåðû â îòíîøåíèè âàñ.
---------Ýòà âåòêà áûëà è îñòàåòñÿ î÷åíü êà÷åñòâåííîé ïî ñâîåìó ñîäåðæàíèþ!---------
Ïîñåìó ïîïûòêè çàôëóäèòü åå âñåâîçìîæíûì áðåäîì çàïàäíûõ äîìîõîçÿåê ìíÿùèõ ñåáÿ äîìîðîùåííûìè èññëåäîâàòåëÿìè çäåñü íå ïðîéäåò è áóäåò ïðåñåêàòüñÿ íà êîðíþ.
Âàì ýòî íðàâèòüñÿ, âû â ýòî âåðèòå, âû ýòî "êóøàåòå" - îê, íåò ïðîáëåì.
Íî èçáàâüòå íàñ îò âàøèõ "ãàñòðîíîìè÷åñêèõ" ïðèñòðàñòèé.
Äðóãàÿ àóäèòîðèÿ, çíàåòå ëè.
Ï.Ñ. Ðàçâîäèòü äèñêóññèþ çäåñü î èñòèííîñòè\ëîæíîñòè âàøèõ óáåæäåíèé òîæå ÍÅ ÍÀÄÎ! Äèñêóòèðóéòå îá ýòîì ñ òåìè, êîìó ýòî èíòåðåñíî. Âîí íà ôåíèêñå âû íàâåðíÿêà íàéäåòå óéìó ïîäõîäÿùèõ ñîáåñåäíèêîâ, ñ êîòîðûìè îáñóäèòå è ãèïåðäîçû âèòàìèíà Ñ è Àëèíèþ è ïàðàçèòîâ è çàãàøíèêè ôàðì. ãèàãíòîâ è âñå îñòàëüíîå, ñòîëü äîðîãîå\èíòåðåñíîå âàì.
Çäåñü ýòî - ôëóä.
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ïðèâåò.íèêîãäà íå äóìàëà ÷òî ìåíÿ êîñíåòñÿ òàêàÿ òåìà.äî íåäàâíåãî âðåìåíè äàæå íå ïîäîçðåâàëà ÷òî ñóùåñòâóåò Ñòîëüêî ãàäîñòè ïîäîçðèòåëüíîéïîêà ñàìà íå ïîïàëàñü
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×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
ïðèâåò.íèêîãäà íå äóìàëà ÷òî ìåíÿ êîñíåòñÿ òàêàÿ òåìà.äî íåäàâíåãî âðåìåíè äàæå íå ïîäîçðåâàëà ÷òî ñóùåñòâóåò Ñòîëüêî ãàäîñòè ïîäîçðèòåëüíîéïîêà ñàìà íå ïîïàëàñü
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×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
5 ëåò ó ìåíÿ òàêàÿ æå ôèãíÿ, åñòü ñêàéï ó êîãî ïîîáùàòüñÿ
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Ñäàë ñâåæóþ èììóíîãðàììó äëÿ äèíàìèêè, äàþ ññûëêó íà ñòàðóþ (ïîñò #1527 ýòîé âåòêè, íà ñëó÷àé åñëè ññûëêè ñìåíÿòüñÿ) , ÷òî áû áûëî ñ ÷åì ñðàâíèâàòü.
Áèîõèìè÷åñêèå èññëåäîâàíèÿ
Ãëèêîçèëèðîâàííûé Íâ (A1C).... 5.0......%............(4.2 – 6.2)
Áèëèðóáèí îáùèé................14.3.... ìêìîëü/ë.... (0.0 – 20.0)
Áèëèðóáèí ïðÿìîé.............. 1.2......ìêìîëü/ë.... (0.0 – 3.4)
Áèëèðóáèí íåïðÿìîé............ 13.1.... ìêìîëü/ë.... (0.0 – 16.6)
ÀÑÒ............................36...... Å/ë..........(0 – 40)
ÀËÒ............................46...... Å/ë..........(0 – 50)
ÃÃÒ............................30...... Å/ë..........(5 – 50)
Êðåàòèíèí......................115......ìêìîëü/ë.... (50 – 115)
Ìî÷åâèíà...................... 7.5......ìêìîëü/ë.... (2.4 – 8.2)
Ìî÷åâàÿ êèñëîòà................520 *....ìêìîëü/ë.... (140 – 420)
Ôîëèåâàÿ êèñëîòà.............. 10.0.... íìîëü/ë......(3.9 – 39.1)
Öèíê.......................... 11.2.... ìêìîëü/ë.... (11.1 – 19.5)
IgA, IgM, IgG (ìåòîäîì òóðáîäèìåòðèè)
IgA............................4.50.... ã/ë..........(0.90 - 4.50)
IgM............................0.70.... ã/ë..........(0.60 - 2.50)
IgG............................19.65 *..ã/ë..........(8.00 - 18.00)
Êëèíè÷åñêèå èññëåäîâàíèÿ
Êëèíè÷åñêèé àíàëèç êðîâè (ïîëíûé+òðîìáîöèòû)
RBC Ýðèòðîöèòû................: 4.97........10^12/ë.. (4.00 - 5.50)
HGB Ãåìîãëîáèí................: 142........ ã/ë...... (130 - 170)
HCT Ãåìàòîêðèò................: 42.3........%........ (40.0 - 48.0)
MCV Ñðåä.îáúåì ýðèòðîöèòà.... : 85.1........ôë........(80.0 - 99.0)
MHC Ñð.ñîäåðæ.Hb â ýðèòðîöèòå : 28.6........ïã........(27.0 - 33.3)
MCHC Ñð.êîíö.Hb â ýðèòðîöèòå..: 336.0...... ã/ë...... (310.0 - 380.0)
RDW Èíäåêñ ðàñï.ïî îáúåìó ýð. : 14.9........%........ (12.0 - 15.0)
PLT Òðîìáîöèòû................: 374 *...... 10^9/ë....(180 - 320)
MPV Ñðåäíèé îáúåì òðîìáîöèòà..: 7.2 *...... ôë........(8.8 - 12.8)
WBC Ëåéêîöèòû................ : 8.00........10^9/ë....(4.00 - 9.00)
ÑÎÝ (Ïî Âåñòåðãðåí).......... : 26 *........ìì/÷àñ....(0 - 15)
Ëåéêîöèòàðíàÿ ôîðìóëà (ìèêðîñêîïèÿ)
........................îòíîñèòåëüíûå............. ...àáñîëþòíûå
Ñ/ÿ íåéòðîôèëû........: 52.0....% (47.0 - 72.0)...... 4.16....10^9/ë..(2.00 - 5.50)
Ëèìôîöèòû............ : 36.0....% (19.0 - 37.0)...... 2.9.... 10^9/ë..(1.2 - 3.0)
Ìîíîöèòû..............: 7.0.... % (3.0 - 11.0)........0.56.... 10^9/ë..(0.09 - 0.60)
Ýîçèíîôèëû............: 4.0.... % (0.5 - 5.0)........ 0.320 * 10^9/ë..(0.020 - 0.300)
Áàçîôèëû..............: 1.0.... % (0.0 - 1.0)........ 0.080 * 10^9/ë..(0.000 - 0.065)
Òèï îáðàçöà.......... : Âåíîçíàÿ êðîâü
Èììóíîëîãè÷åñêèå èññëåäîâàíèÿ
Êîëè÷åñòâî ëèìôîöèòîâ è èõ ñóáïîïóëÿöèé â ïåðèôåðè÷åñêîé êðîâè
........................êîëè÷åñòâî.. îòíîñèòåëüíîå............àáñîëþòíîå
Ëåéêîöèòû......................................... ........... 8.00....10^9/ë (4.00 - 9.00)
Ëèìôîöèòû............................30.0....% (19.0 - 37.0)..2880 *........ (1200 - 2500)
CD3+(Ò-ëèìôîöèòû)....................77 *....% (52 - 76)......2218 *........ (950 - 1800)
CD3+CD(16+56)+ (ÒNK-êëåòêè)..........3.3.... % (0.1 - 8.0)....95............ (5 - 200)
CD3+CD4+ (Ò-õåëïåðû)................ 61.00 * % (31.0 - 46.0)..1757 *........ (570 - 1100)
CD3+CD8+ (Ò-êèëëåðû)................ 12.00 * % (23.0 - 40.0)..346 *..........(450 - 850)
CD4+CD8+ (äóáëü-ïîçèòèâíûå Ò-êëåòêè) 0.5.... % (0.0 - 1.1)....14..............(5 - 15)
CD3-CD8+ (àêòèâèðîâàííûå NK-êëåòêè)..4.3.... % (1.5 - 6.0)....124............ (18 - 150)
Ñîîòíîøåíèå CD4/CD8..................5.08 *....(1.00 - 1.70)....
CD3-CD(16+56)+ (NK-êëåòêè).......... 10......% (9 - 19)...... 288............(180 - 420)
CD19+ (B-ëèìôîöèòû)..................12.0....% (6.0 - 18.0).. 346............(150 - 450)
CD3+ CD25+%..........................2.1.... % (1.8 - 6.5).... 60............(30 - 130)
CD25+ (Ðåöåïòîð ÈË-2)................2.5.... % (2.0 - 9.0).... 72............(40 - 210)
HLA DR+..............................16.0....% (6.0 - 22.0)....461.......... (150 - 550)
CD3+HLA DR+(àêòèâèðîâàííûå T-êëåòêè) 3.90....% (0.00 - 10.00)..112.......... (0 - 230)
CD(16+56)+HLA DR+ (àêòèâ. NK-êëåòêè) 0.30....% (0.00 - 1.80).. 9............ (0 - 60)
Êîëè÷åñòâî ðåãóëÿòîðíûõ Ò-ëèìôîöèòîâ â ïåðèôåðè÷åñêîé êðîâè
Êîëè÷åñòâî ëèìôîöèòîâ CD4+CD25+CD127-....1.7.... %..............(0.3 – 10.0)
Êîëè÷åñòâî ëèìôîöèòîâ CD4+CD25+CD127-....30....êîë-âî êë./ìêë.. (0.3 – 110.0)
Êîëè÷åñòâî Â-ëèìôîöèòîâ CD19+CD5+ â ïåðèôåðè÷åñêîé êðîâè
Êîëè÷åñòâî Â-ëèìôîöèòîâ CD19+CD5+........2.2.. (0.0 - 3.5).... 78..êîë-âî/ìêë (0 - 90)
Ïàðàìåòðû öèòîêèíîâîãî çâåíà èììóíèòåòà
Ïðîäóêöèÿ............ñïîíòàííàÿ................ èíäóöèðîâàííàÿ.............. ñîäåðæàíèå â ñûâîðîòêå
Èíòåðëåéêèí-2........59.0 * ïã/ìë (0.0 – 5.0).. 105.0 * ïã/ìë (10.0 – 100.0)..
ÔÍÎ-à................13......ïã/ìë (0 - 50).... 986.. ïã/ìë (500 - 1500).... 6....ïã/ìë......(0 - 50)
Èíòåðôåðîí-g........ 234 *..ïã/ìë (0 - 50)......548 *..ïã/ìë (1000 - 5000).. 24.. ïã/ìë......(0 - 50)
Ïàðàìåòðû ãóìîðàëüíîãî çâåíà èììóíèòåòà
Èììóíîãëîáóëèíû ñûâîðîòêè
...... Ñóáêëàññû IgG
Ñóáêëàññû IgG1..............9.60......ìã/ìë....(3.20 - 10.20)
Ñóáêëàññû IgG2..............6.80 *....ìã/ìë....(1.20 - 6.60)
Ñóáêëàññû IgG3..............2.00 *....ìã/ìë....(0.20 - 1.90)
Ñóáêëàññû IgG4..............2.20 *....ìã/ìë....(0.10 - 1.30)
Îáùèé IgE.................. 49.00.... ÌÅ/ìë....(20.00 - 130.00)
k-, ë-öåïè èììóíîãëîáóëèíîâ â áèîëîãè÷åñêèõ ñðåäàõ
Ìàòåðèàë........................ Êðîâü
Ñâîáîäíûå êàïïà-öåïè............ 21.0 *....ìêã/ìë....(6.0 - 13.0)
Ñâîáîäíûå ëÿìáäà-öåïè............7.0 *.... ìêã/ìë....(2.0 - 6.0)
Ôóíêöèîíàëüíàÿ àêòèâíîñòü íåéòðîôèëüíûõ ãðàíóëîöèòîâ è ìîíîöèòîâ
Îöåíêà áàêòåðèöèäíîñòè íåéòðîôèëîâ (ÍÑÒ-òåñò)
.................... ñïîíòàííàÿ................ èíäóöèðîâàííàÿ.............. ñîäåðæàíèå â ñûâîðîòêå
ÍÑÒ-òåñò............ 98.. Åä/ìëí.êë. (70 - 120) 146 * Åä/ìëí.êë. (150 - 200)..1.5......(1.2 – 2.0)
Îöåíêà ôàãîöèòîçà íåéòðîôèëîâ
Ôàãîöèòîç........................68......% (65 - 88)
Èíäåêñ ôàãîöèòîçà................2.3...... (2.3 – 3.0)
Ôóíêöèîíàëüíàÿ àêòèâíîñòü ëèìôîöèòîâ
Ïðîëèôåðàòèâíàÿ àêòèâíîñòü ëèìôîöèòîâ ñ ìèòîãåíàìè
Ñïîíòàííàÿ ïðîëèôåðàöèÿ..............1.8 *....% (0.5 – 1.5)
ÔÃÀ (15 ìêã/ìë) èíäåêñ ñòèìóëÿöèè....34.9...... (13.3 – 60.0)
PWM (5 ìêã/ìë) èíäåêñ ñòèìóëÿöèè.... 6.5........(3.0 – 10.0)
Ñèñòåìà HLA
HLA B-27/B-7 ìåòîäîì ïðîòî÷íîé öèòîìåòðèè
HLA B-27...... Ïðè òèïèðîâàíèè íå âûÿâëåí ãåí B27
HLA B-7........Ïðè òèïèðîâàíèè âûÿâëåí ãåí B7
Èììóíîãðàììà â ïîëîæèòåëüíîé äèíàìèêå, õîòü è î÷åíü ìåäëåííîé (ðàç â ïîëãîäà ñèæó íà òåðàïèè)
HLA-B27 – áîëåå íå îáíàðóæèâàåòñÿ
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