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  1. tash
    #121
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    ìàìû, êîìó èíòåðåñíî ïîïîäðîáíåå ïî÷èòàòü ïðî óñïåõè èñêîðåíåíèÿ âèðóñà ïîëèîìèåëèòà - ñì.

    http://www.livejournal.com/users/eugenegp/13895.html



    òàêæå âûäåðæêà èç ñòàòüè áèîõèìèêà Þ. Ñèíèöûíîé "Èììóíèòåò è ïðèâèâêè" ïðî òèïû âàêöèí.

    "Ïåðâûé òèï - âàêöèíû, ïðèãîòîâëåííûå èç óáèòûõ ìèêðîîðãàíèçìîâ. Îíè õèìè÷åñêè áåçîïàñíû è áûëè áû èäåàëüíû, òàê êàê íå äàþò îñëîæíåíèé. Ê ñîæàëåíèþ, îíè ìàëîýôôåêòèâíû, òàê êàê ïðè ïðèãîòîâëåíèè ïîäîáíûõ âàêöèí âîçìîæíû òàêèå èçìåíåíèÿ, ÷òî îðãàíèçì íå ñìîæåò âûðàáîòàòü ïîëíîöåííîãî èììóíèòåòà. Âòîðîé òèï - âàêöèíû æèâûå. Ýòî è ÁÖÆ, è ïîëèîìèåëèò, è ìíîãèå äðóãèå. ×òîáû îíè íå ñòàëè ïðÿìûì èñòî÷íèêîì ñîîòâåòñòâóþùèõ çàáîëåâàíèé, èõ îñëàáëÿþò (àòòåíóèðóþò). Íî åñëè îðãàíèçì îñëàáëåí, ïðèñóòñòâóåò èììóííûé äåôèöèò, ìàëûø ìîæåò ïîëó÷èòü ïðèâèâî÷íîå çàáîëåâàíèå. Êðîìå òîãî, ñîáñòâåííûé êëåòî÷íûé èììóíèòåò ó íîâîðîæäåííûõ íà÷èíàåò ôîðìèðîâàòüñÿ òîëüêî ñ 2 ìåñÿöåâ, ïîýòîìó ïðèâèâêà ÁÖÆ, êîòîðóþ äåëàþò â ðîääîìàõ, ñîâåðøåííî áåñïîëåçíà. Áîëåå òîãî, ðàçìíîæàÿñü, êëåòêè ìîãóò àêòèâèðîâàòüñÿ è â äàëüíåéøåì âîçìîæíî çàáîëåâàíèå òóáåðêóëåçîì. Âàêöèíàöèÿ îò òóáåðêóëåçà â òàêèå ñðîêè è òàêîé âàêöèíîé íà Çàïàäå ðàñöåíèâàåòñÿ êàê ÷óäîâèùíûé ãåíåòè÷åñêèé ýêñïåðèìåíò íàä íàðîäîì. Ó íèõ ïðè ïðèãîòîâëåíèè âàêöèí èñïîëüçóþòñÿ "èñêóññòâåííûå ìèêðîáû" - ñ ïîìîùüþ ãåííîé èíæåíåðèè íà áåçâðåäíûé íîñèòåëü ñàæàþòñÿ "êóñî÷êè" ìèêðîîðãàíèçìîâ, è îðãàíèçì âûðàáàòûâàåò íà íèõ ïîëíîöåííûé èììóíèòåò. Ðàçóìååòñÿ, îá îñëîæíåíèÿõ íåò è ðå÷è.

    Òåïåðü íåñêîëüêî ñëîâ î ãèïåð÷óâñòâèòåëüíîñòè ê âàêöèíàì, â ÷àñòíîñòè, îá àëëåðãèè, íà êîòîðóþ âðà÷è, ê ñîæàëåíèþ, ÷àñòî íå îáðàùàþò äîëæíîãî âíèìàíèÿ. Çà àíàôèëàêòè÷åñêóþ ðåàêöèþ - àëëåðãèþ - "íåñåò îòâåòñòâåííîñòü" èììóíîãëîáóëèí Å. Îíà îáû÷íî âûðàæàåòñÿ â íàñìîðêå, ïîêðàñíåíèè ãëàç, ñåííîé ëèõîðàäêå, àñòìå è äðóãèõ â ëó÷øåì ñëó÷àå íåïðèÿòíûõ âåùàõ. Íî ãîðàçäî áîëåå îïàñíî äðóãîå ïîñòâàêöèíàëüíîå îñëîæíåíèå, êîãäà àíòèãåí è àòíèòåëî âìåñòî òîãî, ÷òîáû "íåéòðàëèçîâàòü" äðóã äðóãà, ñâÿçûâàþòñÿ è îáðàçóþòñÿ ðàñòâîðèìûå èëè äàæå íåðàñòâîðèìûå êîìïëåêñû. Ýòîò ïðîöåññ âíåøíå îáû÷íî ïðîÿâëÿåòñÿ â ðåçêîì ïîäúåìå òåìïåðàòóðû (äî 40 ãðàäóñîâ) ÷åðåç íåäåëþ ïîñëå ïðèâèâêè. Ðåâàêöèíàöèÿ â òàêîé ñèòóàöèè î÷åíü îïàñíà. Ðàç îáðàçîâàâøèñü, ðàñòâîðèìûå êîìïëåêñû ìîãóò íå ðàñïàñòüñÿ, à ïðåâðàòèòüñÿ â íåðàñòâîðèìûå, ïóòåøåñòâóþùèå ïî îðãàíèçìó, îòêëàäûâàþùèåñÿ â òêàíÿõ è âûçûâàþùèå òÿæåëûå çàáîëåâàíèÿ, íàïðèìåð, àðòðîç ñóñòàâîâ èëè ãëîìåðóëîíåôðèò (ïîðàæåíèå ïî÷åê). Ëå÷åíèå î÷åíü ñëîæíîå è íå âñåãäà ýôôåêòèâíîå.

    Äîðîãèå ðîäèòåëè! Áóäüòå áäèòåëüíû è âíèìàòåëüíû. Ïîìíèòå, ÷òî ïðèâèâêè - ýòî î÷åíü ñåðüåçíîå âìåøàòåëüñòâî â îðãàíèçì, ñõîäíîå ñ îïåðàöèåé. Ïîäõîäèòå ê íèì ñåðüåçíî. " (ñ)

  2. Òè-ðå
    #122
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó


    à ñ êåì êîíêóðèðóþò ðîäèòåëè, êîòîðûå íå õîòÿò äåëàòü ïðèâèâêè?

    ëè÷íî ìíå ïðîäóêöèÿ íè Glaxo, íè Aventis'aíå íóæíà.

    Íå ïî òåìå ñëåãêà, íî ñ÷èòàþ ðåêëàìó ïàíàäîëà ïðîñòî ïðåñòóïíîé...ó ïàðàöåòàìîëà î÷åíü ìàëåíüêîå òåïàïåâòè÷åñêîå îêíî, áåçîïàñíûõ äîç - íåò!

    áåðåãèòå âàøó ïå÷åíü íàçûâàåòñÿ.

  3. Gladyshev
    #123
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó

  4. Asia
    #124
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    <à ñ êåì êîíêóðèðóþò ðîäèòåëè, êîòîðûå íå õîòÿò äåëàòü ïðèâèâêè?



    ýòî èõ ðåøåíèå, íè ñ êåì íå êîíêóðèðóþò

  5. Ilyana
    #125
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    Mr. Olmsted,



    Regarding your story, "The Age of Autism: The Amish Elephant" as published by UPI via



    http://www.upi.com/ConsumerHealthDa...24-095736-4490r



    Your story is a breath of fresh air. I have two vaccine-injured children; both diagnosed as being on the autistic spectrum. Unfortunately, their vaccine-induced ailments are not limited to developmental disorders. They suffer from very complex and life-threatening autoimmune, metabolic, & digestive issues as well. We have been struggling, fighting for appropriate and effective care for our children for 6 years. Very few doctors recognize the link between vaccines and my children's issues. Similarly, very few even recognize a link between their medical issues and their developmental issues. We know one thing is certain: When they feel better medically their "autistic" behaviors recede.



    Your angle merits continued focus. You can succeed in this. But there is a larger context to be aware of. At the root of vaccine-induced autism lies a host of undiagnosed illnesses that are the cause of the developmental ailments. This may true for nearly all autistics. The causative factor is, of course, intrusion via vaccination (or other environmental intrusions that scale with vaccination). So, vaccination causes physical ailments (metabolic, autoimmune, and/or digestive) which is, for a developing nervous system, a death knell.



    When I say "vaccination", I really mean both the viruses themselves & the additives which include, but are not limited to, mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde, monkey cells, aborted fetal cells,... the list is very, very long. And all of it is untested. Why can no one answer the quesion: "Where are the studies proving the safety and efficacy of vaccines?"



    With so much "riding" on recognition by the medical/scientific communities and governmental agencies we have learned something else that you must, for your own well-being, take into consideration. You are at risk. "They" will stop at nothing. They have endemic, powerful momentum which both actively and passively recruits more and more people of influence. And thanks to the Patriot Act, your privacy is a thing of the past. They, no doubt, are already "onto" you. You must not take your safety for granted. We are just parents of afflicted children looking for answers, but we are watched very carefully.



    Please, please, continue. Do not temper your message. Too much is at stake... not just for my children, but for all of humanity.



    Sincerely,

    Butch Labrecque





    PARENTS TO:



    *JONNY ~ AUTISTIC ENTEROCOLITIS, ORGAN DISEASE, GI/BOWEL DISEASE, "LNH", PANCREAS DISEASE, METABOLIC DISEASE, IMMUNE DYSFUNCTION, ALLERGIC GASTROENTERITIS, MITOCHONDRIAL DISEASE, OCD & ANXIETY, POST-VACCINE ENCEPHALOPATHY DAMAGES



    *SIERRA ~ DEVELOPMENTAL DAMAGES, AUTISTIC ENTEROCOLITIS, APRAXIA, AUTOIMMUNE ENTEROCOLITIS, ORGAN DISEASE, GI/BOWEL DISEASE, "LNH", PANCREAS DISEASE, METABOLIC DISEASE, IMMUNE DYSFUNCTION, ALLERGIC GASTROENTERITIS, ALLERGIC ENTEROPATHY, PROTEIN-LOSS ENTEROPATHY, POST-VACCINE ENCEPHALOPATHY DAMAGES, SURVIVED ON A FEEDING MACHINE 3 YEARS



    Barbara H Labrecque

    Child Advocate

    Barbara@TAAP.info

    607-734-0036

    VP of TAAP, TheAutismAutoimmunityProject

    http://www.TAAP.info/

    Founder, TAAP of NY - RecoveringAutism

    http://autism.meetup.com/223/about/

    TAAP into the TRUTH!

    Educate BEFORE You Vaccinate!

  6. aalex
    #126
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    http://www.redorbit.com/news/health...source=r_health



    National Institutes of Health: Vaccine Additive Linked to Autism



    By Douglas Fischer for Red Orbit Breaking News

    http://tinyurl.com/a5bhu



    A mercury-laced preservative once widely added to pediatric vaccines exposes infants' brains to twice the neurotoxin previously suspected, offering evidence that health guidelines may underestimate the risk newborns face, researchers say in a report being published today. The additive,thimerosal, has

    been used in vaccines since the 1930s and is almost 50 percent mercury by weight. Since 2001, manufacturers have gradually phased it out of almost all domestic pediatric vaccines, though it remains in use overseas in cheaper "multidose" vaccines.



    The study, being published today in Environmental Health Perspectives, a peer-reviewed publication of the National Institutes of Health, also chides health officials for abandoning an earlier recommendation that the preservative be completely phased out and further studies conducted.



    And it fuels the debate over the federal government's aggressive vaccination plan that subjects infants to a battery of shots some of which contain aluminum and other potentially harmful compounds in their first weeks of life. "We're talking about a low-level delivery of a toxin given to a baby on the first day of its life," said mercury expert Boyd Haley, chairman of the chemistry

    department at the University of Kentucky, who was not involved in the study.



    "What's needed is a total study of the sensibility of the vaccine program. Why would you want to vaccinate a baby on the first day of its life?"



    The report is one of the first to look beyond mercury blood levels resulting from vaccines. Instead it examines both the amount and type of mercury reaching the brain. It suggests health officials examined the wrong compound and failed to look far

    enough when assessing the danger of mercury in thimerosal.



    This is largely a past concern for the United States, given the predominance today of thimerosal-free vaccines. Both the study's lead author and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Wednesday urged parents to have their children vaccinated.



    "That's the first message," said Thomas Burbacher, lead author and associate professor in the Department of Environmental and Occupational Health Sciences at the University of Washington's School of Public Health. "The bottom line is that trying to assess the effects of acompound with very little or no data is not a good thing to do. ... Unfortunately, we started doing studies on this compound way too late. Basic information like this should've been available decades ago."



    The problem is very much alive for developing nations, however, where the àdditive is common. The World Health Organization has expressed interest in Burbacher's research.



    The problem, Burbacher said, is that regulators trying to assess thimerosal's harm used as a benchmark methylmercury, a widely studied compound, rather than the little-known compound called ethylmercury in thimerosal. Both compounds cross the blood- brain barrier. But methylmercury breaks down slowly, whereas ethylmercury dissipates fairly rapidly,suggesting to regulators that a standard based on ethylmercury would adequately protect infants. Burbacher and colleagues found thylmercury's fast breakdown leaves higher levels of so-called "inorganic" ercury in the brain. Inorganic mercury lingers in the brain for a year or more, potentially altering certain cells. A previous study has shown such damaged cells are also found in children with autism. Using monkeys, Burbacher found the brains of thimerosal-exposed infants had twice as much inorganic mercury as methylmercury- exposed infants. The Food and Drug Administration has never required testing of thimerosal's safety or of its safe exposure levels for newborns and children. Although high mercury levels particularly as a result of vaccinations have long been suspected as a leading cause of skyrocketing autism levels, the CDC and Burbacher cautioned Wednesday against drawing any conclusion linking the two.



    "To date, the vast majority of the science doesn't support an association between thimerosal and incidences of autism," said CDC spokesman Glen Nowak. But "at the end of the day, we still don't know what causes autism." Others, however, expect

    such links to become apparent as thimerosal fades from use in the United States. Already, noted Haley, California's autism rates

    have decreased three of the past four quarters a first. "There's something in the vaccines doing it. That something is thimerosal."



    Contact Douglas Fischer at dfischer@angnewspapers.com.



    Source: Oakland Tribune

  7. Mary-Kay
    #127
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    à äëÿ òåõ, êòî ïî àíãëèöêè "ìàéîíåç Âàñÿ" ìîæíî ðàñøèôðîâêó?

  8. Hamenich
    #128
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    à ñìûñë òàêèå äëèíþùèå òåêñòû in english ñþäà ïîñòèòü? Íå ïðîùå ññûëêó äàòü?







    âîò â ïîñëåäíåì íàïèñàíî, ÷òî äîáàâëÿåìîå â âàêöèíû âåùåñòâî - ïðîèçâîäíîå ðòóòè, òèìåðîñîë (thimerosal) - î÷åíü âðåäíîå è îêàçûâàåò ãóáèòåëüíîå âëèÿíèå íà ìîçã ìëàäåíöåâ.

    Ýòî âåùåñòâî (íå÷òî âðîäå äîáàâêè-êîíñåðâàíòà, åñëè ÿ ïðàâèëüíî ïîíÿëà) íà÷àëè äîáàâëÿòü â âàêöèíû ñ 30-õ ãîäîâ.



    Ñ 2001 êðóïíûå ïðîèçâîäèòåëè âàêöèí (íàäî äóìàòü, èìåþòñÿ â âèäó àìåðèêàíñêèå ïðîèçâîäèòåëè) îòêàçàëèñü îò èõ èñïîëüçîâàíèÿ, íî â äðóãèõ ñòðàíàõ âñå åùå ïðèìåíÿþòñÿ äåøåâûå êîìïëåêñíûå âàêöèíû, êóäà ýòè âåùåñòâà âõîäÿò.



     êîíöå ñêàçàíî, ÷òî áîëüøèíñòâî èññëåäîâàíèé íå ïîäòâåðäèëè ñâÿçü ìåæäó íàëè÷èåì òèìåðîñîëà è àóòèçìîì, íî "ìû ïî-ïðåæíåìó íå çíàåì îòâåòà íà âîïðîñ, ÷òî âûçûâàåò àóòèçì".



    Íåñìîòðÿ íà ýòî ðàäóæíîå óòâåðæåäíèå, äàëüøå ñðàçó æå èäåò "Ïðè÷èíà (àóòèçìà) â ïðèâèâêàõ", è êàê ïîäòâåðæäåíèå ýòîìó ïðèâîäèòñÿ òîò ôàêò, ÷òî êàê òîëüêî òèìåðîñîë èñ÷åç èç ñîñòàâà âàêöèí â Øòàòàõ, êîëè÷åñòâî çàáîëåâàíèé àóòèçìîì â Êàëèôîðíèè ñîêðàòèëîñü âòðîå (åæåëè ÿ ïðàâèëüíî èíòåðïðåòèðîâàëà ïîñëåäíþþ ôðàçó, â íåé ñëèøêîì ìíîãî ÷èñëèòåëüíûõ )

  9. OlegSr
    #129
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    âïå÷àòëèâøèñü àíãëèöêèì òåêñòîì, ÿ åùå ïîëàçèëà ïî íàøèì èñòî÷íèêàì, è âûÿñíèëà, ÷òî ïî-ðóññêè ýòî ðòóòíîå ñîåäèíåíèå íàçûâàåòñÿ ìåðòèîëÿò. Âõîäèò â ñîñòàâ âàêöèíû ÀÊÄÑ.

  10. Andriy
    #130
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó


    ñïàñèáî, òåïåðü ïîíÿòíî

  11. vittok
    #131
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó


    à ñìûñë òàêèå äëèíþùèå òåêñòû in english ñþäà ïîñòèòü? Íå ïðîùå ññûëêó äàòü?

    Ñìûñë â òîì, ÷òî íîâîñòè èìåþò ñâîéñòâî áûñòðî êóäà-òî ïðîâàëèâàòüñÿ, èñ÷åçàòü ñ ñåðâåðîâ, äà òàê, ÷òî ïîòîì èõ è íå íàéòè. È íå òàêèå óæ îíè "äëèííþùèå". Äëÿ ÷èòàþùèõ íà ðóññêîì âîò ìàòåðèàëû ïî ðòóòè â âàêöèíàõ



    http://www.homeoint.org/kotok/vaccines/mercury.htm

    http://www.homeoint.org/kotok/vaccines/miller.htm

    http://www.homeoint.org/kotok/vaccines/mercury-v.3.ppt (ïðåçåíòàöèÿ äëÿ ñêà÷èâàíèÿ)

    http://www.homeoint.org/kotok/vaccines/blaylock1.htm

  12. SERGeblr
    #132
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó


    Ìîæåò, ÿ íå î÷åíü âíèìàòåëüíî ïðîñìîòðåëà ññûëêè - à ãäå-òî áûë ñïèñîê _êîíêðåòíûõ_ âàêöèí, â êîòîðûõ èñïîëüçóåòñÿ ìåðòèîëÿò? À òî óïîìèíàëèñü òîëüêî âñÿêèå "âàêöèíû, äî ñèõ ïîð ïðèìåíÿåìûå â áåäíûõ ñòðàíàõ" (ÀÊÄÑ â Ðîññèè?) äà "âàêöèíû îò ãðèïïà" (íî èõ æå íåñêîëüêî ðàçíûõ ïîêîëåíèé). À âîò òàê ÷òîáû ÷åòêàÿ òàáëè÷êà - âîò òóò ðòóòü â òàêîì-òî êîëè÷åñòâå, âîò òóò - òîëüêî ñëåäû, âîò òóò ñîâñåì íåò - ñóùåñòâóåò ãäå-íèáóäü?

  13. haas
    #133
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó




    http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#t1

  14. Êèðååâà Ìàðèíà
    #134
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó


    Ñïàñèáî. Íåîïíÿòíî òîãäà, ïî÷åìó íà òîì ñàéòå óïîìèíàëàñü âàêöèÿ MMR, åæåëè



    "Mumps, measles, and rubella M-M-R-II (M) Free Never contained Thimerosal"

  15. Lenuska
    #135
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    , íà êàêîì "íà òîì"? Êòî-òî ïèñàë, ÷òî â MMR åñòü òèìåðîñàë? Òîãäà ýòî îøèáêà. Ó âàêöèíû MMR ñâîÿ ñîáñòâåííàÿ èñòîðèÿ ñâÿçè ñ àóòèçìîì - ïðåäïîëàãàåòñÿ, ÷òî ïðè÷èíîé ÿâëÿåòñÿ êîðåâàÿ ñîñòàâëÿþùàÿ ýòîé âàêöèíû. Âîò åñòü âïîëíå íàó÷íûé ìàòåðèàë íà ýòó òåìó

    http://www.homeoint.org/kotok/vaccines/singh1.htm

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