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  1. GayveR
    #1
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    Íåîáõîäèìîñòü äðåíèðîâàíèÿ áðþøíîi ïîëîñòè.Evidence-based Value of Prophylactic Drainage in Gastrointestinal Surgery: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analyses

    Posted 12/14/2004 http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/495416

  2. áîëüíîé
    #2
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    Ñïàñèáî çà èíòåðåñíóþ ññûëêó.

  3. Nara
    #3
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    ß ïîëíîñòüþ ñîãëàñåí ñ óâàæàåìûì pandoc-îì è àâòîðàìè îáçîðà.

    Íî õèðóðãèÿ - ýòî òàêàÿ ñïåöèôè÷åñêàÿ ïðîôåññèÿ, îñîáåííî â ex-ÑÑÑÐ, ÷òî òðàäèöèîííîñòü, êîíñåðâàòèçì (âïëîòü äî íåêîòîðîé ñòåïåíè ðèòóàëüíîñòè è øàìàíñòâà) åù¸ äîëãî áóäóò ìåøàòü ýòî óñâîèòü...

  4. Galya
    #4
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    ß ïîëíîñòüþ ñîãëàñåí ñ óâàæàåìûì pandoc-îì è àâòîðàìè îáçîðà.

    Íî õèðóðãèÿ - ýòî òàêàÿ ñïåöèôè÷åñêàÿ ïðîôåññèÿ, îñîáåííî â ex-ÑÑÑÐ, ÷òî òðàäèöèîííîñòü, êîíñåðâàòèçì (âïëîòü äî íåêîòîðîé ñòåïåíè ðèòóàëüíîñòè è øàìàíñòâà) åù¸ äîëãî áóäóò ìåøàòü ýòî óñâîèòü...

    ß áû Âàì åùå ñ óäîâîëüñòâèåì öäåëàë áû ïîäáîðêó ëèòåðàòóðû â îòíîøåíèè ïîãîëîâíîé ïðåäîïåðàöèîííîé êëèçìû.Ê ñîæàëåíèþ,òàêîâîé íå ñóùåñòâóåò.Íè ïîãîëîâíîé,íè êàêîé äðóãîé.Ñóøåñòâóåò bowel prep,êîòîðûé áåç êëèçìû î÷èùàåò êèøå÷íèê ïåðåä îáøèðíûìè îïåðàöèÿìè íà íåì.Ïðè âñåõ äðóãèõ -íå äåëàåòñÿ íè÷åãî.

  5. sdg
    #5
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    Íî õèðóðãèÿ - ýòî òàêàÿ ñïåöèôè÷åñêàÿ ïðîôåññèÿ, îñîáåííî â ex-ÑÑÑÐ, ÷òî òðàäèöèîííîñòü, êîíñåðâàòèçì (âïëîòü äî íåêîòîðîé ñòåïåíè ðèòóàëüíîñòè è øàìàíñòâà) åù¸ äîëãî áóäóò ìåøàòü ýòî óñâîèòü...



    Ïðàâäà, íî òàê è òÿíåò éîäîì ïîìàçàòü, õîòü îäèí ðàçîê, òàê, îò ñóåâåðíîñòè ...



    juju75

  6. benny459
    #6
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    ß áû Âàì åùå ñ óäîâîëüñòâèåì öäåëàë áû ïîäáîðêó ëèòåðàòóðû â îòíîøåíèè ïîãîëîâíîé ïðåäîïåðàöèîííîé êëèçìû.Ê ñîæàëåíèþ,òàêîâîé íå ñóùåñòâóåò.Íè ïîãîëîâíîé,íè êàêîé äðóãîé.Ñóøåñòâóåò bowel prep,êîòîðûé áåç êëèçìû î÷èùàåò êèøå÷íèê ïåðåä îáøèðíûìè îïåðàöèÿìè íà íåì.Ïðè âñåõ äðóãèõ -íå äåëàåòñÿ íè÷åãî.

    Óâàæàåìûé pandoc. Âñ¸ æå â îäíîé èç òåõ ññûëîê, ÷òî Âû ïðèâåëè â òîïèêå "Êëèíè÷åñêèé ñïîð" èìååòñÿ óêàçàíèå î òîì, ÷òî èíîãäà íåîáõîäèìà î÷èñòèòåëüíàÿ êëèçìà, åñëè âî âðåìÿ îïåðàöè ïðåäïîëîãàåòñÿ êîëîíîñêîïèÿ. À òàê ïîëíîñòüþ (îïÿòü æå) ñ Âàìè ñîãëàñåí.

  7. Íàíà
    #7
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    "Despite the dictim that it is impossible to effectively drain the free peritoneal cavity, drains are still commonly used and misused".

    M. Schein



    The first and most important result of the war in the surgical world will be the abandonment once and for oll of the drainage tube. Its day is past, and soon it will only be seen, where it should be, in the museum.

    F Hathaway,-1918



    No drainage is better than the ignorant employment of it

    William Slewart Hoisted, 1852-1922



    A drain invariably produces some necrosis of the tissue with which it comes in contact, and enfeebles the power of resistance of the tissues toward organisms.

    William Stewart Hoisted. 1852-1922



    Drainage of the peritoneum though one of the most important subjects in abdominal surgery, is yet one which stands in a most uncertain position,

    Charles Bingham Penrose, 1862-1925



    Drainage is a confession of imperfect surgery.

    Howard Atwood Kelly, 1858-1943



    Although more than five million surgical drains ore used each year in the United States, their effectiveness, therapeutic indications, and efficiency remains an unsolved controversy.

    JP Moss



    If you have to use drains to take care of post-operative hemorrhage then you did not finish the operation.

  8. kochta
    #8
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    Äîáðûé äåíü!ß áû Âàì åùå ñ óäîâîëüñòâèåì öäåëàë áû ïîäáîðêó ëèòåðàòóðû â îòíîøåíèè ïîãîëîâíîé ïðåäîïåðàöèîííîé êëèçìû.Ê ñîæàëåíèþ,òàêîâîé íå ñóùåñòâóåò.Íè ïîãîëîâíîé,íè êàêîé äðóãîé.Ñóøåñòâóåò bowel prep,êîòîðûé áåç êëèçìû î÷èùàåò êèøå÷íèê ïåðåä îáøèðíûìè îïåðàöèÿìè íà íåì.Ïðè âñåõ äðóãèõ -íå äåëàåòñÿ íè÷åãî.Óï-ñ, à âîò è bowel prep îêàçûâàåòñÿ íå ÿâëÿåòñÿ íåîáõîäèìîé, î ÷¸ì ñâèäåòåëüñòâóåò äîñòàòî÷íîå êîëè÷åñòâî RCT.

  9. andrey_123
    #9
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    åñëè ñåé÷àñ îíè åäâà áåðóò ïàöèåíòà íà ðåëàïàðàòîìèþ ïðè ïðåäúÿâëåíèè èì ã...íà, ïî äðåíàæó îòòåêàþùåãî (èçâèíèòå), òî ÷òî áóäåò áåç äðåíàæåé???

  10. Ëóíà
    #10
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    "Îíè" ýòî õèðóðãè?

  11. Áðîäÿãà
    #11
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    åñëè ñåé÷àñ îíè åäâà áåðóò ïàöèåíòà íà ðåëàïàðàòîìèþ ïðè ïðåäúÿâëåíèè èì ã...íà, ïî äðåíàæó îòòåêàþùåãî (èçâèíèòå), òî ÷òî áóäåò áåç äðåíàæåé???

    À åñëè ñðàâíèòü, ñêîëüêèõ ïàöèåíòîâ ÍÅ âçÿëè (âîâðåìÿ) íà ëàïàðîòîìèþ èç-çà òîãî, ÷òî "ïî äðåíàæó ÍÅÒ ã**íà", òî Âû òîæå çàäóìàåòåñü...

  12. yurgent
    #12
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    1. À åñëè ïåðèòîíèò áûë òîæå íå íóæíî äðåíèðîâàòü?

    2. Åñëè îïåðàöèÿ íà ôîíå ÄÂÑ (â àêóøåðñòâå) è íåò ÌÐÒ, ÓÇÈ êðóãëîñóòî÷íî? Èìåííî äëÿ êîíòðîëÿ ãåìîñòàçà.



    Èíòåðåñíî óñëûøàòü âàøå ìíåíèå è äàííûå ëèòåðàòóðû åñëè òàêîâûå åñòü.

  13. Sunshine
    #13
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    1. Íå âñÿêèé ïåðèòîíèò (äàëåêî íå âñÿêèé) íóæäàåòñÿ â äðåíèðîâàíèè (ýòî ÿ äàæå îñòîðîæíè÷àþ).

    2. ÄÂÑ, êîëëåãà, Âû â ïåðâóþ î÷åðåäü óâèäèòå ïî ï/î ïîâÿçêå (åñëè åù¸ íå âèäåëè - íå äàé áîã). Îíà ïåðâàÿ "çàêðîâèò", çàäîëãî äî ïîÿâëåíèÿ â äðåíàæå êðîâè.

  14. Íàòàëèÿ Ã.
    #14
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    À ÷òî â èòîãå òî îêàçàëîñü?

  15. Kleo
    #15
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    À êòî æ òåïåðü ðàçáåð¸ò. Îáîøëîñü âñ¸. Íà ñëåä. äåíü ïîëåã÷àëî çíà÷èòåëüíî. Äóìàþ òðóáà ìåøàëà...

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