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  1. UltrA
    #61
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    Which statement about nutrition in patients with acute pancreatitis is MOST likely true? (Best choice)





    A. Enteral starvation increases gut lymphoid tissue.

    B. The use of total parenteral nutrition (TPN) lowers the incidence of infectious complications.

    C. Jejunal feeding results in a lower incidence of surgical interventions.

    D. The use of TPN is associated with a marked antiinflammatory response.

  2. Hope1
    #62
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    Ïðåäëàãàþòñÿ äâà ìíåíèÿ. Ïåðâîå - ðàííÿÿ îïåðàöèÿ ïðè ìàëåéøåì ïîäîçðåíèè íà äåñòðóêòèâíûé ïàíêðåàòèò, ðàññå÷åíèå, âñêðûòèå è äðåíèðîâàíèå âñåãî ÷åãî âîçìîæíî, íå èñêëþ÷åíî ëàïàðîñêîïè÷åñêè.

    Âòîðîå - ìàêñèìàëüíî êîíñåðâàòèâíîå ëå÷åíèå, îïåðàöèÿ â ôàçå ñåêâåñòðàöèè íå ðàíåå ÷åì ÷åðåç 2-3 íåäåëè.



    Ó íàñ ýòîò âîïðîñ ðåøàåòñÿ ïðîñòî .Åñëè õèðóðãàì ïîñëå íàøèõ ìåðîïðèÿòèé ,òèïà ïàðàíåôðàëüíîé áëîêàäû èëè ãëþêîçî-íîâîêèíîâîé ñìåñè(íå ñìåéòåñü ,ýòî ïðàâäà ),æèâîò ïî ïðåæíåìó íå íðàâèòñÿ ,òî ëàïàðîòîìèÿ ,äðåíèðîâàíèå ñàëüíèêîâîé ñóìêè, òðóáîé äèàìåòðîì 2-2,5 ñì. íåèçáåæíà.×åðåç íå¸(òðóáó) ìû ââîäèì âñÿêèå äîðîãîñòîÿùèå ïðåïàðàòû òèïà èíãèáèòîðîâ ïðîòåàç èëè ñîìàòîñòàòèíîâ. ×åðåç êîíòð-àïïåðòóðû, ñîîòâåòñâåííî, íå ïîëó÷àåì íè÷åãî. Íà ñàìîì äåëå âîïðîñ ñîñòîèò â äîêàçàòåëüíîñòè äåñòðóêòèâíîñòè, íà íàøåì óðîâíå.Äîñòàòî÷íî ÷àñòî ìû óñïåâàåì ñïàñòè ïàöèåíòà îò ðàäèêàëüíîãî ëå÷åíèÿ.×àñòî ïîñëå íàøåé èíòåíñèâíîé òåðàïèè, è 2-õ ñóòî÷íîé "ïîëîæèòåëüíîé" äèíàìèêè ïðèõîäèòñÿ õâàòàòü åãî íà ñòîë,è "ëîâèòü" äàâëåíèå 40-60 ìì.ðò.ñò., âñþ îïåðöèþ, íå ñìîòðÿ íà ïðîâîäèìóþ "èíôóçèîííî-òðàíñôóçèîííóþ" òåðàïèþ, . Ïîëèãëþêèí ñ ïîëÿðèçóõîé (1:3) äà çäðàâñòâóåò Áóíàòÿí! Òàê ÷òî ÷¸ðò åãî çíàåò, êàê äåéñòâîâàòü â êîíêðåòíîì ñëó÷àå?

  3. (Åëåíà)
    #63
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    Ïàðàíåôðàëüíàÿ áëîêàäà... Íàôòàëèíîì ïîïàõèâàåò êàê-òî...

     íàøåì îòäåëåíèè íàâåðíîå óæå ëåò 15 å¸ íå äåëàëè çà íåíàäîáíîñòüþ. Èëè îò ëåíè?..

  4. Àë¸íà Ëè
    #64
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    Ïàðàíåôðàëüíàÿ áëîêàäà... Íàôòàëèíîì ïîïàõèâàåò êàê-òî...

     íàøåì îòäåëåíèè íàâåðíîå óæå ëåò 15 å¸ íå äåëàëè çà íåíàäîáíîñòüþ. Èëè îò ëåíè?..

    Íàôòàëèíîì èëè åù¸ ÷åì, ÿ íå çíàþ... Íî òîëüêî íàøà êàôåäðà ôàêóëüòåòñêîé õèðóðãèè òðåáóåò .

  5. Èðèíà Ñåëþõ
    #65
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    Îáùèé ïîäõîä - îïåðèðîâàòü íàäî òîëüêî èíôèöèðîâàííûé ïàíêðåîíåêðîç, è äåëàòü ýòî äîëæåí âðà÷, êîòîðûé èìååò îïûò îïåðàöèé íà ïîäæåëóäî÷íîé æåëåçå.

  6. alexor
    #66
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    Îáùèé ïîäõîä - îïåðèðîâàòü íàäî òîëüêî èíôèöèðîâàííûé ïàíêðåîíåêðîç, è äåëàòü ýòî äîëæåí âðà÷, êîòîðûé èìååò îïûò îïåðàöèé íà ïîäæåëóäî÷íîé æåëåçå.

    Îïåðàöèÿ ïðè èíôèöèðîâàííîì ïàíêðåîíåêðîçå - äðåíèðîâàíèå. Êàê òàì - "øëàíãè è âåòîøü äëÿ òÿãè..." Ýòî ìîæíî íàçâàòü îïåðàöèåé íà ïîäæåëóäî÷íîé æåëåçå? Èëè íàäî èìåòü îïûò äðåíèðîâàíèÿ?

  7. GalinaP2005
    #67
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    Âàðèàíòû:

    1. Ðåçåêöèÿ

    2. Îòêðûòîå äðåíèðîâàíèå

    3. Çàêðûòîå äðåíèðîâàíèå



    Ïî÷èòàéòå ëþáîé ñåðü¸çíûé ó÷åáíèê - Ãðèíôèëä, Øâàðö, Ñàáèñòîí, Êàìåðîí.

  8. mmm
    #68
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    È âñå-òàêè, â íåäàâíåì è åäèíñòâåííîì äâîéíîì ñëåïîì ÐÊÈ íå âûÿâëåíî ïîëüçû îò ïðîôèëàêòè÷åñêîãî íàçíà÷åíèÿ àíòèáèîòèêîâ (öèïðîôëîêñàöèí + ìåòðîíèäàçîë).

    Ñîãëàñåí, ïîëüçû íåò õè îò êàêèõ Àáõ.





    2. Nathens AB, Curtis JR, Beale RJ, Cook DJ, Moreno RP, Romand JA, Skerrett SJ, Stapleton RD, Ware LB, Waldmann CS. Management of the critically ill patient with severe acute pancreatitis. Crit Care Med. 2004 Dec;32(12):2524-36.

    Avery Nathens - óâàæàåìûé âðà÷, åìó âåðèòü ìîæíî.





    Èíòåðåñíî, ïîñëå ìåòà-àíàëèçà èç BMJ ýòî ñòàëî ðóòèíîé? Êàê ýòî âûãëàäèò íà ïðàêòèêå? Âñåì çà Òðåéöà çîíä ñòàâÿò? Ýíäîñêîïè÷åñêè èëè â ñëåïóþ?

    Çà Òðåèö ïðåäïî÷òèòåëíåå. Ðåíòãåíîëîãè ýòî äåëàþò ïîä ôëþîðîñêîïèåé.

  9. nasayr
    #69
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    Îáùèé ïîäõîä - îïåðèðîâàòü íàäî òîëüêî èíôèöèðîâàííûé ïàíêðåîíåêðîç, è äåëàòü ýòî äîëæåí âðà÷, êîòîðûé èìååò îïûò îïåðàöèé íà ïîäæåëóäî÷íîé æåëåçå.

    Ïðèíöèïèàëüíî ñîãëàñåí.Íî,êàê Âû îïðåäåëÿåòå èíôèöèðîâàííîñòü ïàíêðåîíåêðîçà??? Ïî ìîåìó ðàçóìåíèþ äëÿ ýòîãî íóæåí ïîñåâ.Äëÿ "ïîñåâíîé" íóæåí ëàïàðîöåíòåç,êàê ìèíèìóì. Åñëè Âû, ïðè ëàïàðîöåíòåçå ïîëó÷èëè õàðàêòåðíîå "àìáðå" , êóäà Âû â ðîññèÿíèè äåíåòåñü, áóäåòå äåëàòü ëàïàðîòîìèþ, è äðåíèðîâàòü "ñàëüíèêîâóþ ñóìêó" ,øëàíãàìè ñàìîãî áîëüøîãî ðàçìåðà.Ïðîãíîç âûæèâàíèÿ,ïî- ìîåìó, çàâèñèò îò âðåìåíè íà÷àëà çàáîëåâàíèÿ.Åñëè íà 2-å ,3-å ñóòêè êëèåíò ïîñòóïàåò, åìó íè÷åãî íå ïîìîæåò ,ñêîðåå âñåãî. À åñëè ÷åðåç ÷àñû , òî è ñîìàòîñòàòèí õîðîø. Õîòÿ áîìæåé è ãëþêîçî-íîâîêàèíîâîé ñìåñüþ âûòàñêèâàåì.

  10. Incognito
    #70
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    Íî, êàê Âû îïðåäåëÿåòå èíôèöèðîâàííîñòü ïàíêðåîíåêðîçà? Ïî ìîåìó ðàçóìåíèþ äëÿ ýòîãî íóæåí ïîñåâ. Äëÿ "ïîñåâíîé" íóæåí ëàïàðîöåíòåç, êàê ìèíèìóì.

    ÑÒ-ñêàíîì íàïðàâëåííàÿ áèîïñèÿ ÏÆ. Ïëþñ - òåìïåðàòóðà, àíàëèç êðîâè.



    Ïðîãíîç âûæèâàíèÿ, ïî- ìîåìó, çàâèñèò îò âðåìåíè íà÷àëà çàáîëåâàíèÿ.

    Ïðîãíîç, êàê âñåãäà, è â ïåðâóþ î÷åðåäü, çàâèñèò îò îáùåãî ñîñòîÿíèÿ áîëüíîãî (pre-admission general health status), âîçðàñòà - îò îáùèõ ïàðàìåòðîâ.

  11. 3DStrike
    #71
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    ×òî äðåíèðóåòå?

    In grade D or E fluid collection. If sterile - good, if growing - bug the surgeons one more time. Imepenem is not better then others positive data is present for several combinations.



    Early antibiotic treatment in acute necrotising pancreatitis.

    Sainio V; Kemppainen E; Puolakkainen P; Taavitsainen M; Kivisaari L; Valtonen V; Haapiainen R; Schroder T; Kivilaakso E

    Lancet 1995 Sep 9;346(8976):663-7.

    cefuroxime (4.5 g/day intravenously) better. Mortality was higher in the non-antibiotic group (seven vs one in the antibiotic group; p = 0.03). Four of the eight patients who died had cultures from pancreatic necrosis positive for Staph epidermidis. We conclude that cefuroxime given early in necrotising pancreatitis is beneficial and may reduce mortality, probably by decreasing the frequency of sepsis.





    Prophylactic antibiotics in treatment of severe acute alcoholic pancreatitis.Delcenserie R; Yzet T; Ducroix JP

    Pancreas 1996 Aug;13(2):198-201.



    Infectious complications currently account for 80% of deaths from acute pancreatitis. The aim of this study was to evaluate the necessity for prophylactic antibiotics in patients with severe acute pancreatitis. Twenty-three consecutive patients suffering from acute alcoholic pancreatitis with computed tomography demonstrating two or more fluid collections were randomly assigned to one of two groups receiving either nonantibiotic treatment or prophylactic antibiotics (ceftazidime, amikacine, and metronidazole for 10 days). Sepsis was always diagnosed by positive cultures. Seven episodes of severe sepsis occurred (pancreatic infection and septic shock) in the nonantibiotic group, and no infection occurred in the prophylactic antibiotic group (p < 0.03). In conclusion, the use of prophylactic antibiotics in severe alcoholic acute pancreatitis significantly reduces the incidence of severe infection.



    Zosyn (ïèï-òàçî) íè ñ ÷åì êîìáèíèðîâàòü íå íóæíî, ó íåãî è òàê ñïåêòð îãðîìíûé. Íî Èìåïåíåì åäèíñòâåííûé àíòèáèîòèê ñ äîêàçàííîé ýôôåêòèâíîñòüþ ïðè ïàíêðåàòèòå.



    I agree that Zosyn alone should be ok but the problem of double coverage is open to discussion. In our hospital we only have 75% Pseudomonas sensitivity to Zosyn and about 70% to Levaquin. There was only one strain of Pseudomonas resistent to both in the last 2 years of monitoring. Out of 10 severe necrotising pancreatitis in our settings about 3 are growing resistant pseudomonas. This is because of the high antibiotic pressure in this community.



    Personally i do not know any ID doc who would leave Grade E pancreatitis with no AB coverage. In view of conflicting evidence lets give the patients benefit of the doubt.

  12. Lozovsky
    #72
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    ÑÒ-ñêàíîì íàïðàâëåííàÿ áèîïñèÿ ÏÆ. Íå äóìàþ, ÷òî â ëþáîé ÖÐÁ åñòü âîçìîæíîñòü òàêóþ ïðîöåäóðó ïðîâåñòè.

  13. Ñâåòèê
    #73
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    Íå äóìàþ, ÷òî â ëþáîé ÖÐÁ åñòü âîçìîæíîñòü òàêóþ ïðîöåäóðó ïðîâåñòè.

    Â òîì-òî è ïðîáëåìà. ß òîëüêî ÷òî ïîíÿë, ÷òî ìû íà ðàçíûõ ÿçûêàõ ãîâîðèì. Çäåñü ÑÒ ñêàí - ýòî "gold standard" â äèàãíîñòèêå íåêðîçà ÏÆ â áîëüíèöå ëþáîãî ðàçìåðà.



    Êñòàòè, Âû îïðåäåëÿåòå óðîâåíü ÑÐÏ?



    To Alex_md:

    Ñ Àáõ ñîãëàñåí.

  14. Àëèêà
    #74
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    Êñòàòè, Âû îïðåäåëÿåòå óðîâåíü ÑÐÏ?Êòî? ß?

  15. Unknown
    #75
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    Âñå, è Âû â ÷àñòíîñòè.

    Óðîâåíü âûøå 150 íã/ìë ïîñëå 2-ãî äíÿ àêêóðàòíî ïðåäñêàçûâàåò òÿæ¸ëûé ïàíêðåàòèò è íåêðîç ÏÆ.

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