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×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
×òî ñàìîå óæàñíîå, èììóíîìîäóëÿòîðû íàïðàâî è íàëåâî íàçíà÷àþò ïðîâèçîðû â àïòåêàõ. È áîëüíûå ïîêóïàþò. Êàê çàìàí÷èâî çâó÷èò "äëÿ ïîâûøåíèÿ èììóíèòåòà".
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×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
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×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
Ñ ïîñóòè áåçðåöåïòóðíîé ïðîäàæåé èììóíîìîäóëÿòîðîâ è íàçíà÷åíèåì ýòîé ãðóïïû ïðåïàðàòîâ ïðîâèçîðàìè è ôàðìàöåâòàìè, íåñîìåííî ñëåäóåò áîðîòüñÿ.
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×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
Àëîí!
Íà Âàøå áðàâèðîâàíèå «ñåðòèôèêàòîì», êîòîðîå äàåò ïðàâî îáî âñåì è îáî âñåõ âûñîêîìåðíî, ïîðîé íåöåíçóðíî ñóäèòü – ó ìåíÿ èðîíèè íå õâàòàåò.
Òî, ÷òî Âû êîãäà-òî âûó÷èëè è ïåðåñêàçàëè (î âèðóñàõ, èììóíèòåòå), òî, ÷òî äðóãèå îòêðûëè, èçó÷èëè è Âàì íà ïàëüöàõ, ïîïðîùå, ÷åðåç ó÷åáíèêè ðàññêàçàëè, åù¸ íå îáîçíà÷àåò, ÷òî âñå îñòàëüíûå äèëåòàíòû.  ÷àñòíîñòè, åñëè Çàéöåâ è äèëåòàíò (÷òî, íåñîìíåííî) â òåõ èëè èíûõ âîïðîñàõ - ñóäèòü òî îá ýòîì íå Âàì.
×òî êàñàåòñÿ ýêñïåðèìåíòîâ íàä ëþäüìè. Âû, êàæåòñÿ, óæå ñàäèëèñü â ëóæó.
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À òóò, âàõ, îêàçûâàþòñÿ óæå äàâíî èäóò «ýêñïåðèìåíòû» íàä íåñ÷àñòíûìè èçðàèëüñêèìè äåòüìè, òèïà
Pediatrics, 2005 Jan, 115(1), 5 - 9
Effect of a probiotic infant formula on infections in child care centers: comparison of two probiotic agents; Weizman Z et al.; OBJECTIVE: To investigate the effect of 2 different species of probiotics in preventing infections in infants attending child care centers . METHODS: A double-blind, placebo-controlled, randomized trial was conducted from December 1, 2000, to September 30, 2002, at 14 child care centers in the Beer-Sheva area of Israel in healthy term infants 4 to 10 months old . Infants were assigned randomly to formula supplemented with Bifidobacterium lactis (BB-12), Lactobacillus reuteri (American Type Culture Collection 55730), or no probiotics . Duration of feeding, including follow-up, for each participant was 12 weeks . All infants were fed only the assigned formula and were not breastfed due to parental decision before recruitment to the study . Probiotic or prebiotic food products or supplements were not allowed . Main outcome measures were number of days and number of episodes with fever (>38 degrees C) and number of days and number of episodes with diarrhea or respiratory illness . RESULTS: Participants (n = 201) were similar regarding gestational age, birth weight, gender, and previous breastfeeding . The controls (n = 60), compared with those fed B lactis (n = 73) or L reuteri (n = 68), had significantly more febrile episodes (mean {95% confidence interval}: 0.41 {0.28-0.54} vs 0.27 {0.17-0.37} vs 0.11 {0.04-0.18}, respectively) . The controls also had more diarrhea episodes (0.31 {0.22-0.40} vs 0.13 {0.05-0.21} vs 0.02 {0.01-0.05}, respectively) and episodes of longer duration (0.59 {0.34-0.84} vs 0.37 {0.08-0.66} vs 0.15 {0.12-0.18} days, respectively) . The L reuteri group, compared with BB-12 or controls, had a significant decrease of number of days with fever, clinic visits, child care absences, and antibiotic prescriptions . Rate and duration of respiratory illnesses did not differ significantly between groups . CONCLUSIONS: Child care infants fed a formula supplemented with L reuteri or B lactis had fewer and shorter episodes of diarrhea, with no effect on respiratory illnesses . These effects were more prominent with L reuteri, which was also the only supplement to improve additional morbidity parameters.
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×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
Åñëè è äàëüøå íà ôîðóìå áóäóò èäòè ëè÷íûå ðàçáîðêè, ÿ áóäó âûíóæäåí çàêðûòü òåìó.
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×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
Àëîí!
À òóò, âàõ, îêàçûâàþòñÿ óæå äàâíî èäóò «ýêñïåðèìåíòû» íàä íåñ÷àñòíûìè èçðàèëüñêèìè äåòüìè, òèïà
Pediatrics, 2005 Jan, 115(1), 5 - 9
Ãîñïîäè áîæå ìîé, ãîñïîäèí Çàéöåâ, î ÷åì âû îïÿòü? Ïîâòîðÿþ, ìíîãèå ãîäû âû â ñîñòàâå ïðåñòóïíîé ãðóïïû ïðîâîäèëè îïûòû íà íå ïîäîçðåâàþùèõ îá ýòîì ëþäÿõ. È ïðîäîëæàåòå äåëàòü ýòî, íåñìîòðÿ íè íà ÷òî, ðàññóæäàÿ ïðè ýòîì î ÷åñòè è ñîâåñòè. Ïðèâåäåííàÿ âàìè ññûëêà, íå ñîäåðæèò óêàçàíèÿ íà ïîäîáíûå äåéñòâèÿ. Óâåðÿþ âàñ, ÷òî âñå íåîáõîäèìûå â ïîäîáíûõ ñëó÷àÿõ ïðîöåäóðû, âêëþ÷àÿ çàêëþ÷åíèå "õåëüñèíêè", áûëè ïîëó÷åíû. Âû ïðîñòî, êàê îáû÷íî, íå èìååòå íè ìàëåéøåãî ïîíÿòèÿ î òîì ,î ÷åì â î÷åðåäíîé ðàç ôàíòàçèðóåòå.
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×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
Ïðîñòî äåâî÷êà òàê ïûòàåòñÿ ñàìîóòâåðäèòüñÿ.
Çàéöåâ - íå äåâî÷êà
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×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
Àëîí!
Ïîâòîðÿòü, ñêîëüêî è êàêèõ ýêñïåðèìåíòàëüíûõ ðàáîò áûëî ïî âñåì òðåáîâàíèÿì ïðîâåäåíî äî «êëèíèêè». ×òî äî îôèöèàëüíîãî ââåäåíèÿ â ðååñòð, äâàæäû â ðàçëè÷íûõ êëèíèêàõ (âñåãî 6), óêàçàííûõ ÌÇ ÑÑÑÐ, ïðîâîäèëèñü îïÿòü òàêè ïî âñåì (íà òîò ïåðèîä!!!) ïðàâèëàì êëèíè÷åñêèå èñïûòàíèÿ – ëåíü. Òîò, êòî íå õî÷åò óñëûøàòü, âñ¸ ðàâíî íå óñëûøèò.
À èçðàèëüñêóþ ðàáîòó (êàê äðóãèå) ÿ íàïîìíèë ëèøü â ñâÿçè ñ Âàøåé êðûëàòî¸ ôðàçîé – äèñáàêòåðèîç (÷èòàé íàðóøåíèÿ ìèêðîáèîöåíîçà) - «âûìûñåë, ñóùåñòâóþùèé ëèøü â óìàõ ðîññèéñêèõ äîêòîðîâ».
Ê ñëîâó, ê âîïðîñó î äèëåòàíòàõ – âåäóùåãî íàó÷íîãî ñîòðóäíèêà ÍÖÑÑÕ èì Áàêóëåâà, ìèêðîáèîëîãà, äîêòîðà íàóê, êîòîðûé âñþ æèçíü ïðîôåññèîíàëüíî çàíèìàåòñÿ ðàçëè÷íîé ìèêðîôëîðîé â îðãàíèçìå ÷åëîâåêà çàáàíèëè òîëüêî çà óïîòðåáëåíèå ýòîãî òåðìèíà. Ïðè÷åì, â îñíîâíîì óñèëèÿìè òîé æå ßíû, êîòîðàÿ è â ìèêðîáèîöåíîçå, íàðÿäó ñ èììóíîëîãèåé, îêàçûâàåòñÿ êðóïíåéøèé ñïåöèàëèñò. Âîò ýòî êàê ðàç ââåðõ ïîðÿäî÷íîñòè â íàøåì ÄÊ.
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Ëþäè õîòü êàê-òî ïûòàþòñÿ ïîäíÿòü ñâîé èììóíèòåò, âîò è ïîëüçóþòñÿ èììóíîìîäóëÿòîðàì. ß îáðàòèëà âíèìàíèå, ÷òî åñëè ïðè ïåðâûõ ñèìïòîìàõ ïðîñòóäû íà÷èíàþ ïðèíèìàòü ýðãîôåðîí, òî âûçäîðàâëèâàþ íàìíîãî áûñòðåå è îñëîæíåíèÿ íå ðàçâèâàþòñÿ
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Íî ïðè÷èíû ñíèæåííîãî èìóíèòåòà ìîãóò áûòü ðàçíûìè. Òîò æå âè÷ íàïðèìåð èëè äðóãèå ïîäîáíûå çàáîëåâàíèÿ. Òàê ÷òî ÿ áû íà âàøåì ìåñòå íå äåëàëà áû òàêèõ ïîñïåøíûõ âûâîäîâ, íå çíàÿ âñåé êàðòèíû, ïî ìîåìó îïûòó, èììóíîìîäóëÿòîðû èíîãäà î÷åíü äàæå ïîìîãàþò
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