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×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
Alon!
È ïî «èììóíèòåòó» ýêçàìåíû ÿ â ñâîå âðåìÿ ñäàâàë (ñêîëüêî òàì ÷àñîâ íà íåãî îòïóùåíî â ìåä. èí-òàõ?). È íè îäèí ãîä â ýêñïåðèìåíòàëüíûõ è êëèíè÷åñêèõ ðàáîòàõ áûë ñâÿçàí ñ èññëåäîâàíèÿìè ðàçëè÷íûõ ôàêòîðîâ èììóíèòåòà. Îòêóäà òàêàÿ óâåðåííîñòü, ÷òî Âû èëè òà æå Ñòóäåíöîâà, êîòîðàÿ î ñåáå íàñòîëüêî âûñîêîãî ñàìîìíåíèÿ, ÷òî îöåíèâàåò («íå îäîáðÿåò») ìåíÿ çà âñå è çà âñÿ ïî òðè ðàçà íà äåíü, ëó÷øå ìåíÿ â íåì ðàçáèðàåòåñü?
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×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
Ïðîñòî äåâî÷êà òàê ïûòàåòñÿ ñàìîóòâåðäèòüñÿ.
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×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
Ãîñïîäèí Çàéöåâ!
Âû õîòü è ëþáîçíàòåëüíûé, íî âñå æå äèëåòàíò, ïîýòîìó óæå â ñîòûé ðàç ñîâåòóþ âàì ïðèñëóøèâàòüñÿ ê òîìó, ÷òî ãîâîðÿò ñåðòèôèöèðîâàííûå ñïåöèàëèñòû, ê êîòîðûì îòíîñèòñÿ, â îòëè÷èå îò óâàæàåìîãî Èâàíà Êîêîòêèíà, è ñòîëü íåëþáèìàÿ âàìè ßíà.
È åùå... íà ïðîòÿæåíèå äîëãèõ ëåò âû ó÷àñòâîâàëè â îïûòàõ íà ëþäÿõ, è, íåñìîòðÿ íà ýòî, âñå âðåìÿ ïûòàåòåñü ãîâîðèòü çäåñü î ïîðÿäî÷íîñòè è ñïðàâåäëèâîñòè.Óéìèòåñü.
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×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
À ÿ âåðíóñü ê ïåðâîíà÷àëüíîé òåìå, èçâèíèòå. Õîòåëà ïîäåëèòüñÿ ìûñëÿìè âñëóõ. Æèâó â Ìîñêâå, èìåþ ðåöåäèâèðóþùèé âèä ïîëîâîãî ãåðïåñà, íå ïüþ, íå êóðþ...Îòäûõàþ ó ìîðÿ, ïüþ è êóðþ - íå èìåþ íèêàêîãî ãåðïåñà. Ãðóñòíî, ÷òî ðîäèíó íå âûáèðàþò...
È åùå, ðàññêàæó Âàì ìîè ñîîáðàæåíèÿ ïî ïîâîäó íåâðàëãèè. Î÷åíü ïîìîãëè ìàöåñòíûå âàííû è âàãèíàëüíîå îðîøåíèå ìàöåñòîé. Íàïðî÷ü ñíèìàåò áîëü, ïî-ìîåìó íà äîëãèå ìåñÿöû, íàäåþñü, äàæå íà ãîäû(ïðè÷åì, çà 2 ÷àñà ïîñëå îðîøåíèÿ âñå ñèìïòîìû ïðîõîäÿò áåç äîïîëíèòåëüíûõ òàáëåòîê âàëòðåêñà)! Òàê ÷òî, åñòü íà ñâåòå åùå ÷òî-òî êðîìå òàáëåòîê!
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×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
Çàòðîíóòà èíòåðåñíàÿ òåìà. Èììóíîìîäóëÿòîðû íå âõîäÿò íè â îäíè çàðóáåæíûå ðóêîâîäñòâà ïî ëå÷åíèþ ãåðïåòè÷åñêèõ èíôåêöèé. Ðîññèéñêèå ïðîòîêîëû âåäåíèÿ áîëüíûõ ñ ãåíèòàëüíûì ãåðïåñîì åùå íå ñîçäàíû, îäíàêî, íàñêîëüêî ÿ çíàþ èììóíîìîäóëÿòîðîâ òàì òîæå íå áóäåò. Òåì íå ìåíåå áîëüøèíñòâî àâòîðèòåòíûõ ðîññèéñêèõ äåðìàòîâåíåðîëîãîâ âêëþ÷àþò ÈÌ â ñâîè ðåêîìåíäàöèè. Îñîáûé ïóòü...
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×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
Ïðîòîêîëû äèàãíîñòèêè è ëå÷åíèÿ ÌÇèÑÐ Ðîññèè íîñÿò ðåêîìåíäàòåëüíûé, à íå îáÿçàòåëüíûé õàðàêòåð.
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×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
Íî ïî÷åìó â ìèðå ðåêîìåíäàöèè ñòðîÿòñÿ íà äîêàçàòåëüñòâàõ, à â Ðîññèè íà âïå÷àòëåíèÿõ?
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×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
Íåò, â Ðîññèè òîæå íà äîêàçàòåëüñòâàõ, òîëüêî â ñâÿçè ñî ñêóäíûìè ôèíàíñàìè óðîâåíü äîêàçàòåëüíîñòè íèçêèé.
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×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
Îñîáûé ïóòü...
À ìîæåò îòñóòñòâèå ïîêà â ñòàíäàðòàõ èììóíîìîäóëÿòîðîâ, îò íåäîñòàòêà, îïÿòü òàêè ïîêà, íàøèõ çíàíèé? Ìîæåò ïî ïðîøåñòâèè íåêîòîðîãî âðåìåíè, èìåííî ìåòîäû êîððåêòèðîâêè èììóíèòåòà áóäóò ãëàâåíñòâîâàòü ïðè ëå÷åíèè çàáîëåâàíèé âèðóñíîé ýòèîëîãèè? Âåäü åñëè áû, êàê óæå ìíîãîêðàòíî îòìå÷àëîñü, íå ýòîò èììóíèòåò, òî äàâíî áû âñå çàáîëåëè è óìåðëè îò ãåðïåñà (åñëè áû íå óñïåëè äî ýòîãî óìåðåòü îò äðóãèõ èíôåêöèé), ïîòîìó ÷òî ïðàêòè÷åñêè âñå ïîãîëîâíî èì èíôèöèðîâàíû. È ïîëàãàþ ìîæíî òîëüêî ïðèâåòñòâîâàòü ðàáîòû Ðîññèéñêèõ èììóíîëîãîâ, (ñðåäè êîòîðûõ íå ìàëî î÷åíü ãðàìîòíûõ ñïåöèàëèñòîâ), êîòîðûå õîòü ÷òî-òî ïûòàþòñÿ ñîçäàâàòü, èññëåäîâàòü.
Áåç òàêèõ ðàáîò çàâòðà, óæå ñ îáùåïðèíÿòûìè, ïðèâû÷íûìè ñòàíäàðòàìè êîððåêòèðîâêè èììóíèòåòà, íàñòóïèò íå ñêîðî.
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×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
Óâàæàåìûé Èâàí! Áîþñü, ÷òî "ðàçðóõà íå â êëîçåòàõ, à â ãîëîâàõ".
Íà ýòîé íåäåëå íà äâóõäíåâíîé êîíôåðåíöèè ïî ÄÌ, êîòîðàÿ ïðîõîäèëà â ÌÌÀ, ýòîò âîïðîñ ïîäíèìàëñÿ. Áîþñü, ÷òî ïðîáëåìà íå â ôèíàíñèðîâàíèè èëè íå òîëüêî â ôèíàíñèðîâàíèè.
Íàïðèìåð, ñ ýòèõ ïîçèöèé íåâîçìîæíî îáúÿñíèòü, ïî÷åìó â ðåêîìåíäàöèÿõ ïî èíñóëüòó Àìåðèêàíñêîé àññîöèàöèè èíñóëüòà ôèãóðèðóþò òîëüêî òðîìáîëèçèñ (ïî ïîêàçàíèÿì), àñïèðèí è .... âñ¸, ïðè ýòîì îãîâàðèâàåòñÿ, ÷òî îñòàëüíûå ëåêàðñòâà, íå óïîìÿíóòûå â ðàçíûõ ðàçäåëàõ ãàéäà ìîãóò íàçíà÷àòüñÿ òîëüêî â ðàìêàõ êëèíè÷åñêèõ èñïûòàíèé, à íàøè ùåäðûå ñòðàíäàðòû ïîäðàçóìåâàþò 100 ìã öåðåáðîëèçèíà íà êóðñ è åùå ìíîãî âñÿêîãî âñåãî
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×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
È ïîëàãàþ ìîæíî òîëüêî ïðèâåòñòâîâàòü ðàáîòû Ðîññèéñêèõ èììóíîëîãîâ, (ñðåäè êîòîðûõ íå ìàëî î÷åíü ãðàìîòíûõ ñïåöèàëèñòîâ), êîòîðûå õîòü ÷òî-òî ïûòàþòñÿ ñîçäàâàòü, èññëåäîâàòü.
Áåç òàêèõ ðàáîò çàâòðà, óæå ñ îáùåïðèíÿòûìè, ïðèâû÷íûìè ñòàíäàðòàìè êîððåêòèðîâêè èììóíèòåòà, íàñòóïèò íå ñêîðî.
Êàê ãîðîõîì îá ñòåíêó!
Òî ÷òî ïûòàþòñÿ èññëåäîâàòü - õîðîøî, åñëè áîëüøå íå íà ÷òî äåíüãè ïîòðàòèòü.À âîò "ëå÷èòü" ëþäåé ñðåäñòâàìè ñ íåäîêàçàííîé ýôôåêòèâíîñòüþ íåëüçÿ. Ïîíèìàåòå, Çàéöåâ, íåëüçÿ! Ýòî óãîëîâíîå ïðeñòóïëåíèå, âíå çàâèñèìîñòè îò "íàöèîíàëüíûõ" îñîáåííîñòåé, ïðèâû÷åê è ìíåíèÿ âîæäåé ïëåìåíè. Ïîðàçèòåëüíàÿ ó âàñ íåâîñïðèèì÷èâîñòü ê ïðîñòûì èñòèíàì, è ïîðàçèòåëüíîå ïðåçðåíèå ê ÷óæîé æèçíè è çäîðîâüþ.
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×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
Àëîí!
Çíàíèå – ýòî ÷åòêàÿ êîððåëÿöèÿ, êàêèå èçìåíåíèÿ (è ïî÷åìó) òåõ èëè èíûõ ôàêòîðîâ èììóíèòåòà ìîãóò ïðèâåñòè ê êëèíè÷åñêè çíà÷èìîé ðåïëèêàöèè â îðãàíèçìå òåõ æå âèðóñîâ ãåðïåñà.  ýòîì ñëó÷àå, ìîæíî äëÿ êàæäîãî êîíêðåòíîãî áîëüíîãî ïîñìîòðåòü «ðàáîòàåò» òîò èëè èíîé èììóíîìîäóëÿòîð èëè íåò. Ïðè÷åì ýòî «ïîñìîòðåòü» îïÿòü òàêè âêëþ÷àåò êîððåëÿöèþ ëàáîðàòîðíûõ ïîêàçàòåëåé è êëèíè÷åñêèõ ðåçóëüòàòîâ. Äëÿ Âàñ æå, íàñêîëüêî ÿ ïîíèìàþ, äîêàçàòåëüñòâîì ÿâëÿþòñÿ òîëüêî ìíîãîìèëëèîííûå (ïî ñòîèìîñòè) óñðåäíåííûå, ñòàòèñòè÷åñêèå èñïûòàíèÿ.
È ïîòîì, ÷òî æå, íà íàñòîÿùèé ìîìåíò, ÿâëÿþòñÿ «ïðåïàðàòàìè ñ äîêàçàííîé ýôôåêòèâíîñòüþ îò, ê ïðèìåðó, ÖÌÂ, ÂÏ×, Ýïøòåéíà Áàðð, ðàçëè÷íûõ ýíòåðîâèðóñîâ è ìí.ìí. äð ?
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×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
 íàñòîÿùåå âðåìÿ â áàçå äàííûõ ìåäëàéí èìååòñÿ 112 ( ñòî äâåíàäöàòü !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
æóðíàëîâ, ñîäåðæàùèõ â ñâîåì çàãëàâèè ñëîâî "ÈÌÌÓÍÎËÎÃÈß" \, â êîòîðûé ïóáëèêóþòÿ ðàáîòû, ïðîâåäåííûå íà ìîëåêóëÿðíîì, êëåòî÷íîì, êóëüòóðàëüíîì è ïð. óðîâíÿõ..
Ïðåäëàãàþ èãðó - ïîñëå êàæäîãî ñäàâëåííîãî ðûäàíèÿ îá îòñóñòâèè íàó÷íûõ èññëäåîâàíèé ïî èììóíîëîãèè ïóáëèêóþ î÷åðåäíûå 10 íàèìåíîâàíèé.
Ñòàðò äàí.
Immunology. Links
pISSN: 0019-2805
eISSN: 1365-2567
Title Abbreviation: Immunology
ISO Abbreviation: Immunology
NLM ID: 0374672
2: Acta pathologica et microbiologica Scandinavica. Section B: Microbiology and immunology. Links
pISSN: 0365-5571
Title Abbreviation: Acta Pathol Microbiol Scand [B] Microbiol Immunol
NLM ID: 7508470
3: Acta pathologica et microbiologica Scandinavica. Section C, Immunology. Links
pISSN: 0304-1328
Title Abbreviation: Acta Pathol Microbiol Scand [C]
NLM ID: 7508469
4: Acta pathologica, microbiologica, et immunologica Scandinavica. Section C, Immunology. Links
pISSN: 0108-0202
Title Abbreviation: Acta Pathol Microbiol Immunol Scand [C]
NLM ID: 8206624
5: Advances in immunology. Links
pISSN: 0065-2776
Title Abbreviation: Adv Immunol
ISO Abbreviation: Adv. Immunol.
NLM ID: 0370425
6: Allergie et immunologie. Links
pISSN: 0397-9148
Title Abbreviation: Allerg Immunol (Paris)
NLM ID: 0245775
7: Allergy. Links
pISSN: 0105-4538
eISSN: 1398-9995
Title Abbreviation: Allergy
ISO Abbreviation: Allergy
NLM ID: 7804028
8: American journal of reproductive immunology : AJRI : official journal of the American Society for the Immunology of Reproduction and the International Coordination Committee for Immunology of Reproduction. Links
pISSN: 0271-7352
Title Abbreviation: Am J Reprod Immunol
NLM ID: 8111069
9: American journal of reproductive immunology and microbiology : AJRIM. Links
pISSN: 8755-8920
Title Abbreviation: Am J Reprod Immunol Microbiol
NLM ID: 8501543
10: American journal of reproductive immunology (New York, N.Y. : 1989) Links
pISSN: 1046-7408
Title Abbreviation: Am J Reprod Immunol
ISO Abbreviation: Am. J. Reprod. Immunol.
NLM ID: 8912860
11: Annales de l'Institut Pasteur. Immunology. Links
pISSN: 0769-2625
Title Abbreviation: Ann Inst Pasteur Immunol
ISO Abbreviation: Ann. Inst. Pasteur Immunol.
NLM ID: 8701983
12: Annals of allergy, asthma & immunology : official publication of the American College of Allergy, Asthma, & Immunology. Links
pISSN: 1081-1206
eISSN: 1534-4436
Title Abbreviation: Ann Allergy Asthma Immunol
ISO Abbreviation: Ann. Allergy Asthma Immunol.
NLM ID: 9503580
13: Annals of immunology. Links
pISSN: 0044-8338
Title Abbreviation: Ann Immunol
NLM ID: 7611917
14: Annual review of immunology. Links
pISSN: 0732-0582
Title Abbreviation: Annu Rev Immunol
ISO Abbreviation: Annu. Rev. Immunol.
NLM ID: 8309206
15: Asian Pacific journal of allergy and immunology / launched by the Allergy and Immunology Society of Thailand. Links
pISSN: 0125-877X
Title Abbreviation: Asian Pac J Allergy Immunol
ISO Abbreviation: Asian Pac. J. Allergy Immunol.
NLM ID: 8402034
16: Bailliere's clinical immunology and allergy. Links
pISSN: 0950-3544
Title Abbreviation: Baillieres Clin Immunol Allergy
NLM ID: 8811039
17: BMC immunology [electronic resource]. Links
eISSN: 1471-2172
Title Abbreviation: BMC Immunol
ISO Abbreviation: BMC Immunol.
NLM ID: 100966980
18: Cancer immunity [electronic resource] : a journal of the Academy of Cancer Immunology. Links
eISSN: 1424-9634
Title Abbreviation: Cancer Immun
ISO Abbreviation: Cancer Immun.
NLM ID: 101119871
19: Cancer immunology, immunotherapy : CII. Links
pISSN: 0340-7004
eISSN: 1432-0851
Title Abbreviation: Cancer Immunol Immunother
ISO Abbreviation: Cancer Immunol. Immunother.
NLM ID: 8605732
20: Cellular immunology. Links
pISSN: 0008-8749
eISSN: 1090-2163
Title Abbreviation: Cell Immunol
ISO Abbreviation: Cell. Immunol.
NLM ID: 1246405
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×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
yananshs îäîáðèë(à): Âîò èìåííî! Êàê ìîæíî òàê îáðàùàòüñÿ ê çàêàëåííîìó ñóäüáîé áîéöó ñ ñåäîþ ãîëîâîé?!!
ßíà!
Òî, ÷òî Âû ìåíÿ, â êîíöå êîíöîâ, çàáàíèòå, êàê çàáàíèëè Ãåîðãèÿ Àíäðååâè÷à Îñèïîâà, îíêîäîêòîðà è ìí. äð., ÿ ïî÷òè íå ñîìíåâàþñü. Åñëè àäìèíèñòðàöèþ ôîðóìà òàêîå ïîëîæåíèå óñòðàèâàåò, òàê òîìó è áûòü, ïåðåæèâó. Íî õîòü áû íå ïðèòâîðÿëèñü, ÷òî íå ïîíÿëè êîãî â ñâîåé ðåïëèêå È. Êîêîòêèí èìåë â âèäó. Íå ïðîòèâíî?
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×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
ß èìåë ââèäó äåâî÷êó èç Àìåðèêà.
Îòâåòèòü
