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  1. DHT áëîêàòîðû è àíäðîãåíåòè÷åñêàÿ àëîïåöèÿ
    îò Hard â ðàçäåëå Çäîðîâüå êîæè, äåðìàòîëîã
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  1. Hard
    #1
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    Îáðàòèë âíèìàíèå íà ðàçëè÷èå â ðåêëàìå DHT-áëîêàòîðîâ (ìèíîêñèäèëà) â ðóññêî- è àíãëîÿçû÷íîé ðåêëàìå.  áîëüøèíñòâå ñòàòåé, â ò.÷. â èíòåðíåòå, ïðåïàðàòû ýòîé ãðóïïû ðåêëàìèðóþòñÿ êàê ýôôåêòèâíûå ïðè íàñëåäñòâåííîé ãîðìîíàëüíî-çàâèñèìîé ôîðìå àëîïåöèè. Îäíàêî, â èíñòðóêöèè ê ìèíîêñèäèëó, íàïå÷àòàííîé íåïîñðåäñòâåííî èçãîòîâèòåëåì (Kirkland), ïðÿìî ñêàçàíî, ÷òî ïðåïàðàò áåñïîëåçåí ïðè äàííîé ôîðìå îáëûñåíèÿ.

  2. Dr. Vad
    #2
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    The British Journal Of Dermatology

    Volume 138, Issue 3, March 1998, Pages 407-411

    Minoxidil upregulates the expression of vascular endothelial growth factor in human hair dermal papilla cells

    Lachgar, S; Charveron, M; Gall, Y; Bonafe, J L

    Laboratoire de Biologie Cellulaire Cutanée, Institut de Recherche Pierre Fabre, Faculté de Médecine Rangueil, Toulouse, France.

    The hair follicle dermal papilla which controls hair growth, is characterized in the anagen phase by a highly developed vascular network. We have demonstrated in a previous study that the expression of an angiogenic growth factor called vascular endothelial growth factor (VEGF) mRNA varied during the hair cycle. VEGF mRNA is strongly expressed in dermal papilla cells (DPC) in the anagen phase, but during the catagen and telogen phases. VEGF mRNA is less strongly expressed. This involvement of VEGF during the hair cycle allowed us to determine whether VEGF mRNA expression by DPC was regulated by minoxidil. In addition, the effect of minoxidil on VEGF protein synthesis in both cell extracts and DPC-conditioned medium, was investigated immunoenzymatically. Both VEGF mRNA and protein were significantly elevated in treated DPC compared with controls. DPC incubated with increasing minoxidil concentrations (0.2, 2, 6, 12 and 24 mumol/L) induced a dose-dependent expression of VEGF mRNA. Quantification of transcripts showed that DPC stimulated with 24 mumol/L minoxidil express six times more VEGF mRNA than controls. Similarly, VEGF protein production increases in cell extracts and conditioned media following minoxidil stimulation. These studies strongly support the likely involvement of minoxidil in the development of dermal papilla vascularization via a stimulation of VEGF expression, and support the hypothesis that minoxidil has a physiological role in maintaining a good vascularization of hair follicles in androgenetic alopecia.



    The Journal Of Investigative Dermatology

    Volume 117, Issue 6, December 2001, Pages 1594-1600

    Minoxidil-induced hair growth is mediated by adenosine in cultured dermal papilla cells: possible involvement of sulfonylurea receptor 2B as a target of minoxidil

    Li, M; Marubayashi, A; Nakaya, Y; Fukui, K; Arase, S

    Department of Dermatology, School of Medicine, The University of Tokushima, Tokushima, Japan

    The mechanism by which minoxidil, an adenosine-triphosphate-sensitive potassium channel opener, induces hypertrichosis remains to be elucidated. Minoxidil has been reported to stimulate the production of vascular endothelial growth factor, a possible promoter of hair growth, in cultured dermal papilla cells. The mechanism of production of vascular endothelial growth factor remains unclear, however. We hypothesize that adenosine serves as a mediator of vascular endothelial growth factor production. Minoxidil-induced increases in levels of intracellular Ca(2+) and vascular endothelial growth factor production in cultured dermal papilla cells were found to be inhibited by 8-sulfophenyl theophylline, a specific antagonist for adenosine receptors, suggesting that dermal papilla cells possess adenosine receptors and sulfonylurea receptors, the latter of which is a well-known target receptor for adenosine-triphosphate-sensitive potassium channel openers. The expression of sulfonylurea receptor 2B and of the adenosine A1, A2A, and A2B receptors was detected in dermal papilla cells by means of reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction analysis. In order to determine which of the adenosine receptor subtypes contribute to minoxidil-induced hair growth, the effects of subtype-specific antagonists for adenosine receptors were investigated. Significant inhibition in increase in intracellular calcium level by minoxidil or adenosine was observed as the result of pretreatment with 8-cyclopentyl-1,3-dipropylxanthine, an antagonist for adenosine A1 receptor, but not by 3,7-dimethyl-1-propargyl-xanthine, an antagonist for adenosine A2 receptor, whereas vascular endothelial growth factor production was blocked by both adenosine A1 and A2 receptor antagonists. These results indicate that the effect of minoxidil is mediated by adenosine, which triggers intracellular signal transduction via both adenosine A1 and A2 receptors, and that the expression of sulfonylurea receptor 2B in dermal papilla cells might play a role in the production of adenosine.

  3. Dr. Vad
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    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    Ý-ý-ý, äîðîãîé Hard, äà Âû ïîæàëóé èëè ÷èòàòü íå ìîæåòå, äàæå íà ðóññêîì, èëè ïèøåòå îäíî, ïîäðàçóìåâàÿ äðóãîå.

    Ìèíîêñèäèë ýôôåêòèâåí äëÿ ëå÷åíèÿ àíäðîãåíåòè÷åñêîé àëîïåöèè îáîèõ ïîëîâ, à íå "ìóæñêîé ãåíåòè÷åñêè îáóñëîâëåííîé àëîïåöèåé". ×òî Âû íàçûâàåòå ïîä ýòèì èìåíåì ìíå íå èçâåñòíî, ìîæåò ýòî?

    Clin Exp Dermatol. 2002 Jul;27(5):405-9.

    Epidemiology and genetics of alopecia areata.

    McDonagh AJ, Tazi-Ahnini R.

    Department of Dermatology and Division of Genomic Medicine, Royal Hallamshire Hospital, University of Sheffield, UK.

    The frequency of alopecia areata and observed patterns of heritability are in keeping with a polygenic inheritance model but the genetics of alopecia areata is still poorly understood. The role of environmental factors in triggering disease initiation or exacerbation remains almost entirely speculative. Using the candidate gene approach, three susceptibility/severity factors have been identified. HLA alleles were the first to show a strong association with alopecia areata and some DQB and DR alleles have been demonstrated to confer a high risk for disease by both case-control and family-based studies. Interleukin (IL)-1 cluster genes, mainly the IL-1 receptor antagonist, show a strong association with disease severity in alopecia areata and a number of other autoimmune and inflammatory diseases. Finally, the association of alopecia areata with Down's syndrome, the high frequency of alopecia areata in autoimmune polyglandular syndrome type I due to mutations of the autoimmune regulator (AIRE) gene on chromosome 21q22.3 and the finding of association with MX1, another gene in the Down's syndrome region of chromosome 21 indicate this area of the genome as a promising target for future-family based investigations. The role of individual genes of the MHC, IL-1 cluster or chromosome 21q22.3 is difficult to establish and further genetic and functional investigations are needed to confirm their involvement in the pathogenesis of alopecia areata.



    Èëè îïÿòü ÷òî-òî íà îñíîâàíèè Âàøèõ íàáëþäåíèé?



    Ïî àëîïåöèè àðåàòà íåò îäíîçíà÷íîãî ìíåíèÿ èñïîëüçîâàíèÿ ìèíîêñèäèëà, íåïëîõîé îïûò ïî ãîðìîíàì, àíòðàëèíó, åñòü ïóáëèêàöèè ïî ïîëüçîâàíèþ èêâèìîäà, òàêðîëèìóñà, ãèïîòåçû ïî òàëèäîìèäó.



    Âîîáùå, ðàñêðîéòå ñåêðåòû êàê çàáîëåâàíèÿ (ëó÷øå íà àíãëèéñêîì), òàê è òàèíñòâåííóþ èíñòðóêöèþ îò çàãàäî÷íîãî Kirklanda, êîòîðûé íå çíà÷èòñÿ äàæå â ñïèñêàõ ôàðìàêîêîìïàíèé.



    Êîå-÷òî ïî ãåíåòèêå àíäðîãåíåòè÷åñêîé àëîïåöèè çäåñü: ...it is not clear whether AGA is genetically homogeneous; some authorities suggest that female pattern hair loss is not the female counterpart of male AGA, and not androgen-dependent (Orme et al., 1999). The genes for type 1 and type 2 5-reductase have been shown not to be associated with the inheritance of AGA ( Ellis et al., 1998). Polymorphism of the AR gene is associated with male pattern baldness ( Ellis et al., 2001), however, the AR gene is located on the X chromosome and does not explain the relatively strong concordance of the degree of baldness in fathers and sons. No specific gene has been identified so far, though single gene mutations, such as abnormality of the AR, might be necessary, but not sufficient for the phenotype ( Ellis et al., 2001). We probably deal with a polygenic inheritance, dependent on a combination of mutations, e.g. in or around the AR gene affecting the expression of the AR, and other genes controlling androgen levels. Interactions between such genes might account for the tissue-specific and developmental stage-specific expression of the AR that is necessary to explain the characteristic anatomic and temporal patterns of AGA. Other genes relevant to androgens, including those on the Y chromosome might also be examined.



    Ïðîñüáà åùå ðàç ðàçîáðàòüñÿ ñ íîìåíêëàòóðîé àëîïåöèè è ïî÷èòàòü óæå îïóáëèêîâàííûå ìàòåðèàëû ïî âåäåíèþ êàæäîé èç íèõ, ïðåæäå, ÷åì ñòàâèòü ÷òî-ëèáî ïîä ñîìíåíèå.



    íàïðèìåð óíèâåðñàëüíî ïî îáëûñåíèþ ìóæ÷èí:

    South Med J. 2000 Jul;93(7):657-62.

    Male pattern baldness.

    Hogan DJ, Chamberlain M.

    Section of Dermatology, Louisiana State University School of Medicine, Shreveport 71130-3932, USA.

    BACKGROUND: Male pattern baldness, or androgenetic alopecia (AGA) in men, occurs with varying severity and age of onset. Two new treatments widely available as alternatives to 2% minoxidil are 1 mg finasteride and topical 5% minoxidil. Finasteride is a 5 alpha-reductase inhibitor available by prescription only; 5% minoxidil is available over the counter. METHODS: We searched MEDLINE to identify all articles on AGA and its pharmacologic therapies. RESULTS: We found limited information on AGA in peer review medical journals. Associated diseases include psychologic disorders and coronary heart disease. Hair growth is unpredictable and limited for all pharmacologic therapies, with the vast majority of treatment studies being industry sponsored. CONCLUSION: AGA is not easy to treat. Finasteride and 5% minoxidil offer new therapeutic options to the balding man. Treatment options may improve as new drugs are further investigated.



    Åñòåñòâåííî, åñëè ìèíîêñèäèë èëè ôèíàíñòåðèä òîòàëüíî ïîìîãàë âñåì, òî íå íóæíî áûëî áû ïèñàòü âûøåóêàçàííîå, à òàêæå ïåðåñàæèâàòü ïàöèåíòàì âîëîñû èëè íîñèòü êàìóôëÿæè. Íî ïðåíåáðåãàòü ðåêîìåíäàöèÿì ïî ëå÷åíèþ èëè âåäåíèþ òàêèõ ïàöèåíòîâ, êàæåòñÿ, íå òî, ÷òî íåýòè÷íûì, à ïðîñòî áåçãðàìîòíûì (êàìåíü â îãîðîä Êèðêëýíäó, åñëè â åãî èíñòðóêöèè íàïèñàíî óêàçàííîå Âàìè).



    Drugs. 2001;61(1):53-69.

    Treatments for androgenetic alopecia and alopecia areata: current options and future prospects.

    Meidan VM, Touitou E.

    Department of Pharmaceutics, School of Pharmacy, Faculty of Medicine, The Hebrew University, Jerusalem, Israel.

    Androgenetic alopecia and alopecia areata are common disorders of the hair follicle which may heavily influence self esteem and self image. Androgenetic alopecia is caused by the heightened sensitivity of scalp follicles to dihydro- testosterone whereas alopecia areata is induced by an autoimmune reaction. Current drug treatment approaches include the use of regrowth stimulators such as topical minoxidil and oral finasteride for androgenetic alopecia, as well as topical minoxidil, dithranol (anthralin), corticosteroids, contact sensitisers, and psoralen plus ultraviolet A irradiation (PUVA) therapy for alopecia areata. Combination regimens are also proposed. However, extreme cases of either type of alopecia do not generally respond well to these existing treatments. For this reason, new therapeutic strategies are directed towards both improving the targeting of existing agents, as well as the development of novel hypertrichotic modalities.

  4. Hard
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    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    Óâàæàåìûé Dr. Vad.

    Ïîñòàðàþñü ïðîêîììåíòèðîâàòü Âàøå ïîñëàíèå.

    Âû äåéñòâèòåëüíî õîðîøî íàõîäèòå â èíòåðíåòå ñòàòüè ïî êëþ÷åâûì ñëîâàì. Îäíàêî, áûëî áû åùå íåïëîõî, åñëè áû Âû ïîïûòàëèñü ðàçîáðàòüñÿ, ÷òî òàì ñîáñòâåííî íàïèñàíî.

    Ïîñêîëüêó ÷èòàòü ÿ âñå-òàêè óìåþ (íå õóæå Âàñ è íå òîëüêî ïî-ðóññêè), ìåíÿ î÷åíü óäèâëÿåò Âàø âûáîð ñòàòåé. Íàïðèìåð, íàïðàøèâàåòñÿ î÷åíü òÿæåëûé âîïðîñ î Âàøåé îñâåäîìëåííîñòè â ñôåðå ìîëåêóëÿðíîé áèîëîãèè, ðàáîòû èç êîòîðîé ïûòàåòåñü èñïîëüçîâàòü â êà÷åñòâå äîêàçàòåëüñòâ çàùèùàåìîé èäåè. Íàïðèìåð, çíàåòå ëè Âû ÷òî òàêîå VEGF? Ïîëàãàþ, ÷òî åñëè áû çíàëè, íå ñòàëè áû öèòèðîâàòü ýòó ðàáîòó òóò. Äåëî â òîì, ÷òî ïðè÷àñòíîñòü VEGF ê ðîñòó âîëîñ âåñüìà äèñêóòàáåëüíà (êñòàòè, îá ýòîì óïîìÿíóë è ÿïîíñêèé àâòîð âî âòîðîé, ïðèâåäåííîé Âàìè ñòàòüå). È óæ òåì áîëåå - â êîíòåêñòå îáñóæäàåìîé çäåñü ïðîáëåìû.

    Ò.î., íàïðàøèâàåòñÿ ñëåäóþùèé âîïðîñ: óâàæàåìûé Dr. Vad, õîðîøî óìåÿ ÷èòàòü, ïî÷åìó Âû íå ïðî÷ëè õîòÿ áû çàêëþ÷åíèå èç ïðèâåäåííîé Âàìè ñòàòüè? Òàì æå ÿñíî ïèøåòñÿ: "These studies strongly support the likely involvement of minoxidil in the development of dermal papilla vascularization via a stimulation of VEGF expression, and support the hypothesis that minoxidil has a physiological role in maintaining a good vascularization of hair follicles in androgenetic alopecia". Åñëè ó Âàñ âñå æå âîçíèêàþò òðóäíîñòè ñ ïåðåâîäîì, òî çíàéòå: ýòî îçíà÷àåò, ÷òî ïî ìíåíèþ àâòîðîâ, ìèíîêñèäèë ñïîñîáñòâóåò óëó÷øåíèþ âàñêóëÿðèçàöèè (â òîì ÷èñëå â çîíå âîëîñÿíîãî ôîëëèêóëà, â òîì ÷èñëå ïðè àíäðîãåíåòè÷åñêîé àëîïåöèè). È íè÷åãî áîëåå!!!

    (Ýòî íå ãîâîðÿ óæå î òîì, ÷òî äàííûå ðàáîòû âîîáùå âûïîëíÿëèñü íà êëåòî÷íûõ êóëüòóðàõ. Ìîæåò áûòü Âû íå â êóðñå, íî èñïîëüçîâàòü òàêèå äàííûå â êà÷åñòâå äîêàçàòåëüñòâ íå ñ÷èòàåòñÿ êîððåêòíûì â ïðîôåññèîíàëüíîé ñðåäå).

    Òàê ÷òî ïîæàëóéñòà, â ñëåäóþùèé ðàç, ïðåæäå, ÷åì ÷òî-ëèáî öèòèðîâàòü, ïîñòàðàéòåñü ñíà÷àëà ïîíÿòü, ÷òî òàì âñå-òàêè ïèøåòñÿ.

  5. Hard
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    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    Óâàæàåìûé Dr. Vad.



    Ïîñêîëüêó Âû, íåñìîòðÿ íà õîðîøèå ñïîñîáíîñòè â ÷òåíèè è "íàõîæäåíèè ñòàòåé â èíòåðíåòå ïî êëþ÷åâûì ñëîâàì", òàê è íå ñìîãëè íàéòè ìàòåðèàë, ñîîòâåòñòâóþùèé òåìå íàøåé äèñêóññèè, ïðèäåòñÿ ñäåëàòü ýòî çà Âàñ.



    Female androgenetic alopecia (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uid s=10886278&dopt=Abstract)



    Dermatol Surg. 2000 Jul;26(7):679-82.

    Female androgenetic alopecia: a separate entity.



    Norwood OT, Lehr B.



    Department of Dermatology, University of Oklahoma Health Sciences Center, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, USA.



    BACKGROUND: It has always been assumed that female AGA represents the female counter part to male AGA. OBJECTIVE: To present arguments illustrating that these are entirely different entities.

    METHOD: Four well-known facts about both entities that would indicate they are separate are cited. Family pedigree filled with female AGA and minimal male AGA is presented and a reference to a female with no curculating androgens and typical female AGA is cited.

    RESULTS: AND CONCLUSION: Based on evidence presented it is concluded these are two entirely different diseases .



    PMID: 10886278 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]



    Íàäåþñü, ýòà ñòàòüÿ ïîëîæèò íà÷àëî Âàøåìó îçíàêîìëåíèþ ñ ñîâðåìåííûì ïîëîæåíèåì äåë â èçó÷åíèè âîïðîñîâ àëîïåöèè, è Âû, íàêîíåö, ïåðåñòàíåòå çàäàâàòü ìíå îäèí è òîò æå âîïðîñ ïî åå âàðèàíòàì, à ïðèëîæèòå ñòàðàíèÿ ê ñàìîñòîÿòåëüíîìó íàõîæäåíèþ ñòàòåé (õîòÿ áû â òîì æå èíòåðíåòå) ïî äàííîé òåìàòèêå.

  6. Dr. Vad
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    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    Ãëóáîêîóâàæàåìûé Hard!

    Ïîëüçóÿñü Âàøèìè ïðèåìàìè â äèñêóññèè, ìåíÿ ãëóáîêî íå èíòåðåñóåò íè Âàøà ëè÷íàÿ òî÷êà çðåíèÿ, íè ÷àñòíîå ìíåíèå äåðìàòîëîãîâ èç Îêëàõîìû, îñíîâàííîå íà åäèíè÷íîì íàáëþäåíèè, îñîáåííî òîãäà, êîãäà ñàì íèêîãäà íå êóðèðîâàë ïàöèåíòîâ ñ àëîïåöèåé. Ó âàñ âñåõ ìîæåò áûòü îòëè÷íàÿ ïîçèöèÿ íå òîëüêî ïî ýòîìó âîïðîñó, â òî âðåìÿ êàê "IN SPITE OF their entirely different clinical appearances, it has always been assumed by dermatologists that female androgenetic alopecia (AGA) and male AGA are the same entity." /Âûäåðæêà èç ïðèâåäåííîé ñòàòüè/, íî ìíå ïðèñóùå îïèðàòüñÿ êàê íîâè÷êó â äàííîì âîïðîñå íà êîíñåíñóñû èëè ðåêîìåíäàöèè, êëèíè÷åñêèå ðóêîâîäñòâà îò áîëüøèíñòâà àâòîðèòåòíûõ ñïåöèàëèñòîâ â äàííîé îáëàñòè. Âàø æå ëè÷íûé êëèíè÷åñêèé îïûò î÷åâèäíî ïîçâîëÿåò ñðàçó íàçíà÷àòü ïàöèåíòàì äð. ïðåïàðàòû èëè âîîáùå ðåêîìåíäîâàòü òðàíñïëàíòàöèþ èëè ïðîñòî íàêëåèâàíèå ïàðèêà íà èõ ëûñèíû. Õîçÿèí-áàðèí.

    Î èññëåäîâàíèÿõ: îïÿòü æå ïðèçûâàþ Âàñ ê âíèìàòåëüíîñòè: ïîëîæèòåëüíûé ýôôåêò ìèíîêñèäèëà íà ðîñò âîëîñ ÷åëîâåêà ïîêàçàí â 90-õ (ñì. ðàííèå ïîñòèíãè), à â ýòèõ èññëåäîâàíèÿõ ïîêàçàíû âîçìîæíûå ãóìîðàëüíûå/ìîëåêóëÿðíûå ìåõàíèçìû ýòîãî (ïî ðîñòîâûì ôàêòîðàì ìîã áû ïðèâåñòè Âàì öåëóþ ëåêöèþ, íî îòïðàâëþ Âàñ ïîèñêàòü åå ñàìèì).

    È â ðåïëèêó ïî ïðåäûäóùèì ñîîáùåíèÿì: è Âàì áóäåò èçâåñòíî (åñëè äîæèâåì äî ýòîãî) êîãäà îòêðîþò ëåêàðñòâî äëÿ èçëå÷åíèÿ ìèåëîìû (à íå ïðîäëåíèÿ æèçíè ïàöèåíòàì çà ñ÷åò èíäóêöèè ðåìèññèè) èëè èçëå÷åíèÿ ãèïåðòîíè÷åñêîé áîëåçíè (à íå âðåìåííîãî íîðìàëèçàöèè ÀÄ çà ñ÷åò ïîñòîÿííîãî ïðèåìà ëåêàðñòâ), çíàåòå, ýòî ðåàëèè ñîâðåìåííîé òåðàïèè, à íå õèðóðãè÷åñêàÿ àìïóòàöèÿ èëè òðàíñïëàíòàöèÿ.

    Go ahead!

  7. Hard
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    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    Íó âîò, óâàæàåìûé Dr. Vad, ñàìè æå "ïðèçûâàëè ê êîíñòðóêòèâíîìó äèàëîãó/áåñåäå" è ñàìè æå ïîñòîÿííî óêëîíÿåòåñü îò òåìû.

    Ýòî è âïîëíå åñòåñòâåííî, ïîñêîëüêó, êàê Âû ïèøåòå, Âàñ ãëóáîêî íå èíòåðåñóåò íè ìîÿ "ëè÷íàÿ òî÷êà çðåíèÿ" (÷òî âïîëíå íîðìàëüíî), "íè ÷àñòíîå ìíåíèå äåðìàòîëîãîâ èç Îêëàõîìû" (íåïîíÿòíî, ÷åì ïîñëåäíèå-òî Âàì íå ïîíðàâèëèñü). Çàòî, â îòëè÷èå îò äåðìàòîëîãîâ èç Îêëàõîìû, Âàñ î÷åíü çàèíòåðåñîâàëà òî÷êà çðåíèÿ êîìïàíèè Micromedex, ññûëêó íà êîòîðóþ Âû ïðèâåëè â ïîñòå îò 25-07-2003 02:09. Êñòàòè, Âû è â òîì ñëó÷àå íå äî÷èòàëè ñòàòüþ òàê, êàê ýòî ïîëîæåíî ïðè èçó÷åíèè òåìàòè÷åñêîãî ìàòåðèàëà. Âàøà óâåðåííîñòü â ñâîèõ ñïîñîáíîñòÿõ ðàçáèðàòüñÿ â ìàòåðèàëå ïîìåøàëà Âàì ïðîéòè ïî ññûëêå âíèçó ïðèâåäåííîé Âàìè ñòàòüè è íàéòè ñîáñòâåííîå ïðåäóïðåæäåíèå åå àâòîðîâ:

    "The use of the Micromedex products is at your sole risk. These products are provided "AS IS" and "as available" for use, without warranties of any kind, either express or implied. Micromedex makes no representation or warranty as to the accuracy, reliability, timeliness, usefulness or completeness of any of the information contained in the products. Additionally, MICROMEDEX MAKES NO REPRESENTATION OR WARRANTIES AS TO THE OPINIONS OR OTHER SERVICE OR DATA YOU MAY ACCESS, DOWNLOAD OR USE AS A RESULT OF USE OF THE MICROMEDEX PRODUCTS. ALL IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE OR USE ARE HEREBY EXCLUDED. Micromedex does not assume any responsibility or risk for your use of the Micromedex products".

    Âîò êàêèå, ñòûäíî äàæå ïðîèçíåñòè, "ìíåíèÿ" Âàñ, óâàæàåìûé Dr. Vad, ãëóáîêî èíòåðåñóþò è ôîðìèðóþò Âàøå ñîáñòâåííîå ìíåíèå.

    Âèäèìî, ïî "ðîñòîâûì ôàêòîðàì" ó Âàñ ëåêöèÿ íàáðàëàñü èç ïîäîáíûõ èñòî÷íèêîâ. À ÷òî ñîáñòâåííî åùå ìîæíî îæèäàòü îò ëþáèòåëÿ îïèðàòüñÿ íà "êëèíè÷åñêèå ðóêîâîäñòâà îò áîëüøèíñòâà àâòîðèòåòíûõ ñïåöèàëèñòîâ" äåñÿòèëåòíåé äàâíîñòè?

    Åñòåñòâåííî, ÷òî Âàì ëåã÷å "îòïðàâèòü ìåíÿ ïîèñêàòü åå ñàìîìó". Âû æå íå ñìîãëè íàéòè ñòàòüè íà òàê èíòåðåñîâàâøèé Âàñ âîïðîñ. À âåäü ìîãëè áû, ïîñêîëüêó, êðîìå îêëàõîìñêèõ, åùå áûëè è ôëîðèäñêèå èññëåäîâàíèÿ ñ òåì æå âûâîäîì è ò.ä. Íî, äî Âàñ îíè âèäèìî äîéäóò, êàê îáû÷íî - óæå â ñëåäóþùåì äåñÿòèëåòèè.

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    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    Óâàæàåìûé Õàðä!

    Êîìïàíèÿ Ìèêðîìåäåêñ, òàêæå êàê è Âàøà êèðêëýíä, íèêàêîãî îòíîøåíèÿ ê ïðîèçâîäñòâó ìèíîêñèäèëà íå èìååò, à ÿâëÿåòñÿ ðàñïðîñòðàíèòåëåì èíôî, îïóáëèêîâàííîé ïðîèçâîäèòåëÿìè ëåêàðñòâ. Âàñ æå ÿ ïðèçûâàþ îáðàòèòü ñâîé âçîð íà èìåþùèåñÿ ó Âàñ àíàëîãè Âèäàëÿ èëè Øâåèöàðñêîãî Êîìïåíäèóìà èëè èì ñîîòâåòñòâóþùèõ òîé ìåñòíîñòè, âåùàíèå èç êîòîðîé Âû âåäåòå. È òîãäà âñå âîïðîñû ïî ïîêàçàíèþ îïðåäåëåííûõ ïðåïàðàòîâ ó Âàñ ñàìè îòïàäóò. Òàêæå ìíå õîòåëîñü áû âîî÷èþ óâèäåòü òå ðàçëè÷èÿ ìåæäó ìóæñêîé è æåíñêîé ÀGÀ, î êîòîðûõ Âû ãîâîðèòå èëè â êëèí. ïîñîáèè èëè ïðàêò. ðåêîìåíäàöèÿõ èëè êîíñåíñóñàõ äåðìàòîëîãîâ èëè êîñìåòîëîãîâ ñ ëþáîé ñòîðîíû îêåàíà. Âû æå, èëè âàøè ñòîðîííèêè ìîãóò èìåòü àáñîëþòíî ËÞÁÎÅ ìíåíèå ïî äàííîé ïðîáëåìå. Ìíåíèå ñïåöèàëèñòîâ, èçëîæåííûå â êîíñåíñóñå è îáçîðå çà 2002-2003, Âû íàäåþñü óæå ïðî÷èòàëè. Êîãäà Âàøà òî÷êà çðåíèÿ áóäåò ïîääåðæàíà â áóäóùèõ êëèí. ðåêîìåíäàöèÿõ çà 2004 èëè ïîçæå, ìîæåòå ïîñòàâèòü ñåáå çà ñâîè ñðåäñòâà ïàìÿòíèê êàê ñàìîìó ïðîâèäöó â àëîïåöèè. Ïîêà æå áîëüøèíñòâî ñïåöèàëèñòîâ íå ðàçäåëÿåò Âàøå ìíåíèå, ïîçâîëüòå è ìíå ïðèñëóøàòüñÿ ê èõ ìíåíèþ, à òàêæå ïîëüçîâàòüñÿ èíñòðóêöèÿìè ê ïðåïàðàòàì, ñîñòàâëåííûìè ñàìèìè ïðîèçâîäèòåëÿìè.

    Íà ñèì èçâîëüòå îòêëàíÿòüñÿ è ïðèíåñòü ñâîè èçâèíåíèÿ çà âñå ðåçêîñòè è êîëêîñòè, äîïóùåííûå â Âàø àäðåñ âî âðåìÿ äèñêóññèè.

    A dio!

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    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    ...ìíå õîòåëîñü áû âîî÷èþ óâèäåòü òå ðàçëè÷èÿ ìåæäó ìóæñêîé è æåíñêîé ÀGÀ...



    Ê âîïðîñó î ðàçëè÷èÿõ ìåæäó ìóæñêîé è æåíñêîé ÀGÀ:



    1. Ïîëíàÿ âåðñèÿ óæå óïîìèíàâøåéñÿ ñòàòüè:



    Androgenetic alopecia: pathogenesis and potential for therapy

    Justine A. Ellis, Rodney Sinclair and Stephen B. Harrap



    http://www.expertreviews.org/02005112h.htm



    2. Äðóãàÿ ñòàòüÿ (ïîêà, òîëüêî àáñòðàêò):



    Female Androgenetic Alopecia: A Separate Entity

    Published in Dermatology Surgery 2000

    By O'Tar Norwood, MD and Blaine Lehr, MD



    http://www.hairclinic.com/faaarticle03.html



    Çäåñü îñîáåííî èíòåðåñíî ñëåäóþùåå óïîìèíàíèå: Treatment with 5a alpha-reductase inhibitors certainly helps male pattern alopecia and has no effect on female pattern alopecia.





    Âàñ æå ÿ ïðèçûâàþ îáðàòèòü ñâîé âçîð íà èìåþùèåñÿ ó Âàñ àíàëîãè Âèäàëÿ èëè Øâåèöàðñêîãî Êîìïåíäèóìà èëè èì ñîîòâåòñòâóþùèõ



    Íà ýòîò ïðèçûâ çàìå÷ó, ÷òî Âèäàëü íå ñòàë ïîâòîðÿòü ôàíòàçèè î âëèÿíèè ìèíîêñèäèëà íà ôîëîñÿíûå ôàçû, à ïðîñòî íàïèñàë:

    ìåõàíèçì äåéñòâèÿ Ðåãåéíà êàê ñòèìóëÿòîðà ðîñòà âîëîñ ó áîëüíûõ ñ îáëûñåíèåì ìóæñêîãî òèïà íå âûÿñíåí.

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    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    Óâàæàåìûé Õàðä!

    Ñïàñèáî çà îòêëèê, ïðèâåäåííûå Âàìè ñòàòüè ñìîòðåë (ïðèçíàþñü, ÷òî íå ïðî÷åë îò êîðêè äî êîðêè) â îðèãèíàëå.  ïåðâîì îáçîðå ññûëêà íà âòîðóþ ñòàòüþ (Norwood, O.T. and Lehr) âî ôðàçå "it remains controversial as to whether the two conditions are the same (Ref. 2)." B. Ïîýòîìó ïðèâîäèòü åå íå èìååò ñìûñëà. Îòòóäà æå (èç ñòàòüè Norwood, O.T. and Lehr) è ïðèâåäåíà ôðàçà â ïîñòèíãå çà 31.07. Ïîâòîðþñü, ÷òî ìíå âåñüìà ïðèÿòíî, ÷òî îòäåëüíûå êëèíè÷. äåðìàòî-òðèõîëîãè èìåþò îòäåëüíóþ òî÷êó çðåíèÿ (è Âû ðàçäåëÿåòå åå), íå ïðèäåðæèâàÿñü ìíåíèÿ áîëüøèíñòâà äåðìàòîëîãîâ (ïîýòîìó è ïóáëèêóþòñÿ îíè íå â äåðìàòîëîãè÷åñêèõ, à â äåðìàòîõèðóðãè÷åñêèõ æóðíàëàõ), õîòÿ íà êîíñåíñóñå áîëüøèíñòâà õèðóðãîâ, îïóáëèêîâàííûõ ïîçæå (â 2002) òî÷êà çðåíèÿ Norwood, O.T. and Lehr îïÿòü-òàêè íå áûëà çàìå÷åíà. Ìîæåò Âû è ÿâëÿåòåñü êðóïíûì ó÷åíûì-òðèõîëîãîì, êîòîðîãî íàðàâíå ñ Norwood, O.T. and Lehr áóäóò öèòèðîâàòü êàê âíåñøèõ âêëàä â îòêðûòèå èëè ñòîÿùèõ ó èñòîêîâ ñåïàðàöèè ìóæñêîé è æåíñêèõ ÀÃÀ, íî ïîêà âñå æå ïîçâîëüòå åùå ðàç íàïîìíèòü, ÷òî ïðè íàëè÷èè íåïîíÿòîê èëè ïðîòèâîðå÷èé ïî êàêèì-òî âîïðîñàì ïîëüçóþòñÿ èëè ðåêîìåíäàöèÿìè èëè êîíñåíñóñàìè, îäîáðåííûõ áîëüøèíñòâîì ñïåöèàëèñòîâ ïî äàííîìó âîïðîñó.



    Ïî Âèäàëþ: ÿ Âàñ íå ïðèçûâàë èñêàòü ÌÄ ìèíîêñèäèëà, à îáîçíà÷èòü ìíå ëþáîå äðóãîå ìåñòî, êðîìå êèðêëýíäà, ãäå íàïèñàíî, ÷òî ìèíîêñèäèë íå ðàáîòàåò ïðè ÀÃÀ (Âàøå âûñêàçûâàíèå):

    "...êàê ýôôåêòèâíûå ïðè íàñëåäñòâåííîé ãîðìîíàëüíî-çàâèñèìîé ôîðìå àëîïåöèè. Îäíàêî, â èíñòðóêöèè ê ìèíîêñèäèëó, íàïå÷àòàííîé íåïîñðåäñòâåííî èçãîòîâèòåëåì (Kirkland), ïðÿìî ñêàçàíî, ÷òî ïðåïàðàò áåñïîëåçåí ïðè äàííîé ôîðìå îáëûñåíèÿ..."

    Êðîìå òîãî, ÿ ïðÿìî ñòàâëþ ïîä ñîìíåíèå ñóùåñòâîâàíèå äàííîé ôðàçû è "Êèðêëýíäà" êàê ïðîèçâîäèòåëÿ, íà ÷òî Âû ìíå íèêàêèõ âðàçóìèòåëüíûõ ÅÂ-îòâåòîâ íå äàëè.

    Äàëåå, ñóùåñòâóåò òàêîå ïîíÿòèå êàê ïåðèîäè÷åñêîå îáíîâëåíèå èíñòðóêöèè. Ñðàâíèòå äàòû ïîñëåäíèõ îáíîâëåíèé "Ðåãåéíà" è ïóáëèêàöèé ïî åãî (âåðîÿòíîìó!) ìåõàíèçìó äåéñòâèÿ.



    "Çäåñü îñîáåííî èíòåðåñíî ñëåäóþùåå óïîìèíàíèå: Treatment with 5a alpha-reductase inhibitors certainly helps male pattern alopecia and has no effect on female pattern alopecia."

    Íè÷åãî èíòåðåñíîãî çäåñü íåò: äàâíî èçâåñòíî, ÷òî ñóùåñòâóþò ïðîñòî äðóãèå âèäû îáëûñåíèÿ ó æåíùèí, êîòîðûå íå îòíîñÿòñÿ ê ÀÃÀ, íàïð. ïîñòìåíîïàóçàëüíàÿ àëîïåöèÿ, êîòîðàÿ íå çàâèñèò îò ãèïåðàíäðîãåíèè è ïîýòîìó íå îòâå÷àåò íà èíãèáèòîðû àëüôà-ðåäóêòàçû, â òî âðåìÿ êàê æåíùèíû ñ ãèïåðàíäðîãåííûì îáëûñåíèåì (ÀÃÀ) îòâå÷àþò:



    J Am Acad Dermatol. 2002 Nov;47(5):733-9.

    Hair loss in women with hyperandrogenism: four cases responding to finasteride.



    Shum KW, Cullen DR, Messenger AG.



    Department of Dermatology, Royal Hallamshire Hospital, Sheffield, UK.



    Oral finasteride, a type II 5 alpha-reductase inhibitor, has been shown to increase hair growth and slow progression of thinning in men with androgenetic or male pattern balding (Hamiliton type) but has no affect on hair growth in postmenopausal women with female pattern hair loss (Ludwig type). We describe 4 cases of hair loss with characteristics of both male and female patterns in women with hyperandrogenism in which finasteride has improved or stabilized the alopecia. Improved hair growth was seen after 6 months, 1 year, 2 years, and 2.5 years, respectively. The finding that finasteride treatment improves pattern hair loss in women with hyperandrogenism but does not affect those postmenopausal women with female pattern hair loss without hyperandrogenism supports the concept that not all types of female hair loss have the same pathophysiology.



    Åñëè Âû ïîëàãàåòå, ÷òî ýòî åäèíè÷íîå íàáëþäåíèå, òî ïîæàëòå åùå:

    Br J Dermatol. 2002 Oct;147(4):812-3.

    Finasteride for female androgenetic alopecia.

    Thai KE, Sinclair RD.



    È íàïîñëåäîê, Dear Hard, íå óïîäîáëÿéòåñü Ðàâàëó ñ åãî ÌÍÑ è ïîäîáíûì òîâàðèùàì íà ôîðóìå. Åñëè Âû õîòèòå îñòàâèòü ñâîå ìíåíèå êàê ñîáñòâåííóþ ïðàâîòó, òî ìèëîñòè ïðîñèì, åñëè æå âûäàòü åãî çà ïåðåâîðîò â äàííîé îáëàñòè, òî, ïðàâî, ïðîñòî ñìåøíî è æàëêî Âàøåãî (äà è ìîåãî òîæå) ïîòðà÷åííîãî âðåìåíè.

    Ïðîñòî áîëüøå ÷èòàéòå, àíàëèçèðóéòå ðàçëè÷íûå âçãëÿäû ïî êîíêðåòíîé òåìàòèêå è äåëàéòå ñîáñòâåííûå âûâîäû.

    Óñïåõîâ Âàì â îáùåíèè íà ôîðóìå,

    Âàäèì.

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    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    Óâàæàåìûé Dr. Vad.

    Âû ñîâåðøåííî ïðàâèëüíî óêàçàëè íà ìîþ îøèáêó ñ Êèðêëàíäîì. Ýòî äåéñòâèòåëüíî íå ïðîèçâîäèòåëü ïðåïàðàòà - ýòî åãî çàêàç÷èê.

    Ñ Âèäàëåì æå Âàøà ïîçèöèÿ ìíå íåïîíÿòíà. Ïî ïåðå÷íþ ïîêàçàíèé Âû åìó äîâåðÿåòå, à ïî ÌÄ - ïî÷åìó-òî íåò. Ðàç óæ Âû ïðèçûâàåòå ñìîòðåòü â íåãî êàê â àâòîðèòåòíûé èñòî÷íèê äàííûõ, òî óæ íàâåðíî - ïî âñåìó îáúåìó îçíà÷åííîãî âîïðîñà. (Ýòî â òîì ñìûñëå, ÷òî, èñõîäÿ èç äàííîãî èñòî÷íèêà, ñëåäóåò ïðèçíàòü, ÷òî è åâðîïåéñêàÿ ìåäèöèíà íå çíàåò èíîãî äåéñòâèÿ ìèíîêñèäèëà â îáëàñòè âîëîñèñòîé ÷àñòè ãîëîâû, êðîìå ñîñóäîðàñøèðÿþùåãî).

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    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    Óâàæàåìûé Õàðä!

    Ïîéìèòå, ÷òî ìåäèöèíà - äèíàìè÷åñêè ðàçâèâàþùàÿñÿ íàóêà, ïîýòîìó âåñüìà ñëîæíî áûâàåò óñëåäèòü çà âñåìè íîâèíêàìè è âíåñòè êîððåêòèðîâêè.  ñëó÷àå ñ ìèíîêñèäèëîì ïîêà ìíîãî çàãàäîê: îïóáëèêîâàííûå ìîëåê. èññëåäîâàíèÿ ïîêàçàëè èçìåíåíèÿ â ôàêòîðàõ ðîñòà è ðåöåïòîðàõ, íî íàñêîëüêî ýòî è ãëàâíîå êàê ñòèìóëèðóåò ðîñò âîëîñ, îñòàåòñÿ äî êîíöà íå èçó÷åííûì. Ïîýòîìó äàæå â ïîñëåäíèõ îáçîðàõ ÌÄ ìèíîêñèäèëà ïîñòóëèðóåòñÿ êàê îêîí÷àòåëüíî íå èçó÷åííûé / íå óñòàíîâëåííûé, íî ñîãëàñíî íåäàâíèì èñëåäîâàíèÿì... è òä.

    Íàïð., ñâîåé òåìàòèêå óæå âåñüìà ðåäêî çàãëÿäûâàþ â ìàíóñêðèïòû, íåñìîòðÿ íà òî, ÷òî ìíîãèå èçäàíû óæå â ýòîì òûñÿ÷åëåòèè, ïîëüçóþñü ëèøü ñòàòüÿìè, ìíîãî èíòåðåñíîãî ìîæíî ïî÷åðïíóòü èç ìàòåðèàëîâ êîíãðåññîâ èëè ïèñåì ê èçäàòåëÿì.

    Ïðî àëîïåöèþ çíàë ïîíàñëûøêå, íî áëàãîäàðÿ Âàì, óæå ñëîæèëàñü êàêàÿ-òî ñèñòåìà ëå÷.äèàãí.ïîäõîäà ê íåé, íà îñíîâàíèè ÷åãî ïðîáóþ äàâàòü êîå-êàêèå êîíñóëüòàöèè íà ôîðóìå, íå ïðîïàäàòü æå çíàíèÿì. Òàê ÷òî ñïàñèáî è áóäó íàäåÿòñÿ, ÷òî åùå ïîäèñêóòèðóåì íà ïðîñòîðàõ ôîðóìà. Êñòàòè, ìîæåò Âàì áóäåò êîãäà èíòåðåñíî ïî÷èòàòü/ïîó÷àñòâîâàòü â äèñêóññèÿõ íà www.solvay-pharma.ru, ïðàâäà òàì íóæíî ðàñêðûâàòüñÿ.

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