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  1. Hematolog
    #1
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    Óâàæàåìûå êîëëåãè!

     ðàçäåëå "îíêîëîãèÿ" íàøåãî ôîðóìà, ìû ñëó÷àéíî çàòðîíóëè âîïðîñ î âîçìîæíîì íåáëàãîïðèÿòíîì äåéñòâèè ïîëèâèòàìèííûõ ïðåïàðàòîâ ó áîëüíûõ ñ íåîïëàçèÿìè.

    Ìîè îïàñåíèÿ ñâÿçàíû ñ ïðèñóòñòâóþùèì â ïîëèâèòàìèíàõ âèòàìèíîì Â12.

    Íàáëþäàë íåñêîëüêî áîëüíûõ ñ ïîëèöèòåìèåé ó êîòîðûõ ÷åðåç íåñêîëüêî ëåò ïîñëå ïðèñîåäåíåíèÿ â êà÷åñòâå ñîïóòñòâóþùåé ïàòîëîãèè àòðîôè÷åñêîãî ãàñòðèòà (ÁËÎÊ ÏÎÑÒÓÏËÅÍÈß ÂÈÒÀÌÈÍÀ Â12) ðàçâèëàñü ïàíöèòîïåíèÿ (ôèáðîç â êîñòíîì ìîçãå îòñóòñòâîâàë). Ïðèâû÷íàÿ äëÿ ïîëèöèòåìèè êàðòèíà âîññòàíàâëèâàëàñü ïîñëå èíúåêöèé âèòàìèíà Â12.

     ïîñëåäóþùåì ýòè áîëüíûå íå ïîëó÷àëè öèòîñòàòè÷åñêîé òåðàïèè (åå çàìåíèë åñòåñòâåíûé áëîê ïîñòóïëåíèÿ âèòàìèíà Â12, à ëèøü ïåðèîäè÷åñêè ïîëó÷àëè âèòàìèí Â12 äëÿ ñòèìóëÿöèè ãåìîïîýçà (îïóõîëåâîãî êëîíà).

    Êàêèå áóäóò ñóæäåíèÿ?

    Ñïàñèáî!

  2. Dr. Vad
    #2
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    Óâàæàåìûé Hematolog!



    ×òî êàñàåòñÿ áîëüøèõ äîç êîáàëàìèíà è âîçìîæíîé ïðîëèôåðàöèè îïóõîëåâîãî êëîíà, òî òàêóþ òåîðèþ åùå ñëûøàë îò ñâîåãî çàâåäóþùåãî îòä. ëåò 10 íàçàä. Ê ñîæàëåíèþ, íèêàêîãî ïîäòâåðæäåíèÿ èëè îïðîâåðæåíèÿ ïîêà ýòîìó íåò. Òåîðåòè÷åñêè, åñëè îïóõîëåâûé êëîí áóäåò íóæäàòüñÿ òîëüêî â êîáàëàìèíå äëÿ ñâîåé ïðîëèôåðàöèè, òî åãî îí ìîæåò "ïðèîáðåñòè" â ëþáîì ìåñòå îðãàíèçìà, ãäå åãî ïðåäîñòàòî÷íî. Åñëè íàñòóïàåò åãî òîòàëüíûé äåôèöèò (êàê ïðè ïåðíèöèîçíîé àíåìèè), òî çàìåäëÿåòñÿ/îñòàíàâëèâàåòñÿ äåëåíèå âî âñåõ òêàíÿõ (à íå òîëüêî îïóõîëåâûõ), èíà÷å Âû áû íàáëþäàëè íå ïàíöèòîïåíèþ, à òîëüêî óãíåòåíèå "îïóõîëåâîãî ýðèòðîèäíîãî". Òàê æå, ïîñòîÿííûå ýêñôóçèè êðîâè ïðè ýðèòðåìèè ïîñòåïåííî ïðèâîäÿò ê æåëåçîäåôèöèòó (÷òî òåîðåòè÷åñêè ìîæåò ñäåðæèâàòü áûñòðûé ïðèðîñò öèðêóë. ýðèòðîïóëà), íî èç-çà ïåðåðàñïðåäåëåíèÿ æåëåçà â îðãàíèçìå âñå æå îïóõîë. ðîñòîê ïðîäóöèðóåò èçáûòîê ýðèòðîöèòîâ.  Âàøåì ïðèìåðå, íà ìîé âçãëÿä, íå ñîâñåì ðàöèîíàëüíî áûë âûáðàí ïîäõîä, òê êðîìå òðàíçèòîðíûõ öèòîïåíèé, êîáàëàìèíîäåôèöèò ìîæåò äàâàòü ïîðîé íåîáðàòèìîå ïîðàæåíèå ÖÍÑ/ÏÍÑ âïëîòü äî ïàðàëè÷åé, ÷òî ïàöèåíòó íå õîòåëîñü áû èìåòü.

    Íàñêîëüêî ìíå èçâåñòíî, ëó÷øå ïîëíîñòüþ ëèêâèäèðîâàòü êîáàëàìèíîäåôèöèò è çàòåì ïåðèîäè÷. ïîääåðæèâàþùàÿ òåðàïèÿ (êîáàëàìèí ïîñëå èíüåêöèé íà ãîäû çàïàñàåòñÿ â ïå÷åíè). Êðîìå òîãî, óæå èçâåñòíî, ÷òî îêîëî 1% îò ïîñòóïàþùåãî öèàíîêîáàëàìèíà ìîæåò áåç ô. Êàñëà ïàññèâíî ïîñòóïàòü â êðîâîòîê, ÷òî ïîçâîëÿåò ïðè íàçíà÷åíèè âíóòðü 1000 ìêã è áîëåå óñïåøíî ëèêâèäèðîâàòü/ïðîôèëàêòèðîâàòü êîáàëàìèíîäåôèöèò.

    Íàñêîëüêî "îïàñíû â îïóõîëåâîì ïëàíå" ïðèåì áîëüøèõ äîç êîáàëàìèíà äîëæíû ïîêàçàòü ìíîãî÷èñëåííûå àíòèãîìîöèñòåèíîâûå òðàéëû, èäóùèå ïî âñåìó ìèðó (íà÷èíàÿ ñ 2005-2006 ãã) è åñëè îáíàðóæèòñÿ, ÷òî ïîñëå 5 ëåò ïðèåìà ïîâûøåííûõ äîç ôîëàòà/êîáàëàìèíà ïîÿâèòñÿ "âñïëåñê îïóõîëåé" â àêòèâíîé ãðóïïå, òî áóäåò "ïèùà äëÿ ðàçìûøëåíèÿ" î ïðàâèëüíîñòè ýòîé òåîðèè.

  3. Hematolog
    #3
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    Óâàæàåìûé Dr. Vad!



    Òåîðåòè÷åñêè, åñëè îïóõîëåâûé êëîí áóäåò íóæäàòüñÿ òîëüêî â êîáàëàìèíå äëÿ ñâîåé ïðîëèôåðàöèè, òî åãî îí ìîæåò "ïðèîáðåñòè" â ëþáîì ìåñòå îðãàíèçìà, ãäå åãî ïðåäîñòàòî÷íî. Åñëè íàñòóïàåò åãî òîòàëüíûé äåôèöèò (êàê ïðè ïåðíèöèîçíîé àíåìèè), òî çàìåäëÿåòñÿ/îñòàíàâëèâàåòñÿ äåëåíèå âî âñåõ òêàíÿõ (à íå òîëüêî îïóõîëåâûõ)



    Äà, íî áèîêèíåòèêà çäîðîâûõ òêàíåé è îïóõîëåâîãî êëîíà ìîæåò ñèëüíî îòëè÷àòüñÿ, íà ýòîì ïðèíöèïå è îñíîâàíà õèìèîòåðàïèÿ.





    Íàñêîëüêî "îïàñíû â îïóõîëåâîì ïëàíå" ïðèåì áîëüøèõ äîç êîáàëàìèíà äîëæíû ïîêàçàòü ìíîãî÷èñëåííûå àíòèãîìîöèñòåèíîâûå òðàéëû, èäóùèå ïî âñåìó ìèðó (íà÷èíàÿ ñ 2005-2006 ãã) è åñëè îáíàðóæèòñÿ, ÷òî ïîñëå 5 ëåò ïðèåìà ïîâûøåííûõ äîç ôîëàòà/êîáàëàìèíà ïîÿâèòñÿ "âñïëåñê îïóõîëåé" â àêòèâíîé ãðóïïå, òî áóäåò "ïèùà äëÿ ðàçìûøëåíèÿ" î ïðàâèëüíîñòè ýòîé òåîðèè.



    Ñîìíåâàþñü.  ýòèõ èññëåäîâàíèÿõ ó÷àñòâóþò "çäîðîâûå" ëèöà è ëèöà ñ ãåíåòè÷åñêîé ìóòàöèåé íå çàòðàãèâàþùåé ïðîëèôåðàòèâíóþ ôóíêöèþ êëåòîê.

    Ñ òî÷êè çðåíèÿ îðãàíèçàöèè èññëåäîâàíèÿ ìíå êàæåòñÿ, ÷òî íàäî èçó÷àòü áîëüíûõ ñ ñîñòîÿâøåéñÿ "îíêîëîãèåé".

  4. Dr. Vad
    #4
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    Óâàæàåìûé Hematolog!



    Ìîæåò Âû òîæå â ÷åì-òî ïðàâû: ëó÷øå ïîæàëóé ñêàæóò òîëüêî ýêñïåðòû:

    òàê î ïèòàíèè (âèòàìèíàõ â ïèùå) è ïðåäîòâðàùåíèè îïóõîëåé â ïîïóëÿöèè èçëàãàåò



    Donaldson MS. Nutrition and cancer: A review of the evidence for an anti-cancer diet.Nutr J. 2004 Oct 20;3(1):19.



    http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pubmed&pubmedid=154962 24



    Äðóãîé ïðèìåð: ïðè ëå÷åíèè íîâûì "àíòèôîëàòíûì" ìåòàáîëèòîì Pemetrexed (ALIMTA), äëÿ ñíèæåíèÿ åãî òîêñè÷íîñòè íà ÊÌ è ýïèòåëèé êèøå÷íèêà íàçíà÷àåòñÿ êîáàëàìèí è ôîëèåâàÿ çà íåäåëþ äî åãî ââåäåíèÿ è íà âåñü êóðñ òåðàïèè: ïîäðîáíåå íàïð.



    http://clincancerres.aacrjournals.org/cgi/content/full/10/12/4276S



    Î íå ñîâñåì ïîëåçíîñòè ÷àñòè÷íîé êîððåêöèè êîáàëàìèííîãî äåôèöèòà ïðè åãî îáíàðóæåíèè ïîâåñòâóåò îòðûâîê:



    Neurologic Effects of Deficiency



    In the past, neurologic complications were thought to occur at a later stage of vitamin B12 deficiency than hematologic changes, but recent reports indicate that neurologic changes can occur in the absence of any hematologic abnormalities.



    Neurologic complications are found in 75%90% of individuals with clinically apparent vitamin B12 deficiency. In 25%-33% of patients with neurologic symptoms, the only clinical manifestation is neuropathy. The occurrence of neurologic findings due to vitamin B12 deficiency is inversely correlated with the degree of anemia, i.e. subjects with severe anemia show fewer or no neurologic manifestations and vice versa.



    Healton et al. showed that patients usually develop neurologic symptoms in their seventh decade or later. Only 20% of patients with neurologic symptoms become symptomatic before age 50.



    Cobalamin deficiency of the nervous system is a progressive disorder, which is manifested by abnormalities of the spinal cord, peripheral nerves, optic nerves, and cerebrum. In 33% of patients, there are sensory disturbances in the extremities (paresthesia or numbness) alone. Motor disturbances alone, especially gait ataxia, are present in 9% of cases. Cognitive impairment may occur, ranging from loss of concentration to memory loss, disorientation, and frank dementia, with or without mood changes. Anosmia, fecal and urinary incontinence, leg weakness, impaired manual dexterity, and impotence are less frequent symptoms. Rare symptoms are orthostatic lightheadedness, diminished taste, paranoid psychosis, and diminished visual acuity.



    Myelopathy alone is present in 12% of cases, whereas combined neuropathy and myelopathy are present in 41% of cases. Bilateral cerebral dysfunction is found in 8.1% of patients with neurologic symptoms, which suggests involvement of cortical neurons or the adjacent white matter. Cognitive syndromes, such as dementia, hallucinations, frank psychosis, paranoia, depression, violent behavior, and changes in personality are not frequent, but vitamin B12 deficiency should be considered as a possible cause of these symptoms. In 0.5% of cases, visual impairment was found, which might be related to optic atrophy and retrobulbar neuritis or pseudotumor cerebri. Depending on the duration of symptoms, neurologic complications of vitamin B12 deficiency may or may not be reversible following treatment (the longer the delay before treatment, the less likely recovery).



    Èç Baik HW, Russell RM. Vitamin B12 deficiency in the elderly. Annu Rev Nutr. 1999;19:357-77.

  5. Dr. Vad
    #5
    ×èòàòåëü Íåäóã.Ðó
    Ðîëü ôîëèåâîé è êîáàëàìèíà â ìåòèëèðîâàíèè ÄÍÊ è ïîääåðæàíèè ñòàáèëüíîñòè ãåíîìà / ïðåïÿòñòâèè êàíöåðîãåíåçà îïèñûâàþò

    Bohnsack BL, Hirschi KK. Nutrient regulation of cell cycle progression.

    Annu Rev Nutr. 2004;24:433-53.

    ...a close relationship between dietary folate and DNA methylation, and furthermore, the role of folate in maintaining normal cellular function and growth through suppression of aberrant gene expression and preservation of genomic integrity.



    Åùå îäèí ýâèäåíñ, êàê ãåíåò. íàðóøåíèå ìåòèëèðîâàíèÿ íåáëàãîïðèÿòíî ñêàçûâàåòñÿ íà ïðîãðåññèðîâàíèå îïóõîëè è êîððåêöèÿ ôîëàòîì / êîáàëàìèíîì ïî èäåå äîëæíà ïîâûñèòü âûæèâàåìîñòü:



    Clin Lung Cancer. 2004 May;5(6):360-5.



    Effect of the methylenetetrahydrofolate reductase C677T polymorphism on patients with cisplatin/gemcitabine-treated stage IV non-small-cell lung cancer.



    Alberola V, Sarries C, Rosell R, Taron M, de las Penas R, Camps C, Massuti B, Insa A, Garcia-Gomez R, Isla D, Artal A, Munoz MA, Cobo M, Bover I, Gonzalez-Larria JL, Terrasa J, Almenar D, Barcelo R, Diz P, Sanchez-Ronco M, Sanchez JJ.



    Medical Oncology Service, Hospital Arnau de Vilanova, Valencia, Spain.



    Single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs) in the metabolic pathways of S-adenosylmethionine have been related to global hypomethylation and a lower number of hypermethylated CpG islands of tumor suppressor genes. Hypermethylation of checkpoint and DNA repair genes has been shown to be indicative of chemosensitivity. In the present study, we have examined the SNP of methylenetetrahydrofolate reductase (MTHFR) C677T, which affects DNA methylation patterns and is linked to elevated plasma homocysteine levels in 208 patients with gemcitabine/cisplatin-treated stage IV non-small-cell lung cancer (NSCLC). No differences in response rate were observed according to the MTHFR genotype. However, time to progression was 7.4 months for 68 patients with CC genotype, 5.5 months for 108 patients with heterozygous CT genotype, and 5.2 months for 28 patients with TT genotype. These findings can lead us to distinguish different outcome patterns among patients with stage IV NSCLC whose similar clinical prognostic factors would otherwise indicate similar outcomes. Carriers of the MTHFR 677T allele could benefit from supplementation with folic acid and vitamin B12. The Spanish Lung Cancer Group has undertaken a phase III randomized trial to elucidate this concept.

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