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Nastja Grigoriev
11.07.2004, 14:38
Hello! Whether to our daughter and we do not know 2 months to do or make to her inoculation BTSZH. It would be desirable to learn or find out your opinion on this clause or article napechatanoj in "AiF", the author CHervonskaja.: " Recently the medical public tensely discusses a question on compulsion of inoculations and their efficiency. In particular, about necessity
Inoculations vaccine BTSZH from a tuberculosis. Some generations " already have grown is universal or without exception imparted or vaccinated ". Meanwhile the tuberculosis has still remained one of
The most serious chronic diseases, moreover, Russia is in a status of tubercular epidemic. On this background of spores between opponents
Inoculations and those who insists on their compulsion, has passed in essentially other sphere.
Opponents of inoculations consider or count, that time a tuberculosis is not won by means of a vaccine, that, probably, it is necessary to reconsider the attitude or relation to vaccinating, as
In some cases, in their opinion, the vaccine reduces and without that weak immunity of the child. Phthisiatricians whom services on a duty or debt every day collide or face with
Tuberculosis, approve or confirm, that the vaccine is harmless, and not vaccinated children have 100 %-s' chance in present conditions to become or begin 100 %-s' invalids or is simple
To die of a tuberculosis. Both those and others wish to protect children from terrible illness or disease.
Whether it is necessary to make prosthetic appliance immune system " all successively "...
In obstetrical establishments of our country of each newborn (with rare exception!) impart or inoculate against a tuberculosis vaccine BTSZH, later, in 7 years, - revaktsinirujut. Despite of such general improvement of the nation, a tuberculosis borrows or occupies one of the first places among infectious diseases.
Dangerous " small illness or disease " we SHALL make a reservation at once, that a phrase " all successively " - not ours. She is taken from
Publications of the pediatrists propagandizing in Russia
" Sanitary-and-epidemiologic well-being of the population exclusively
By means of inoculations " all children successively ".
If to consider publications of domestic experts, among them, for example,
neonatologa, the academician of Century A.Tabolina, that, since 60th years leaving
Centuries, "practically healthy" newborns practically are absent. With
Very much much is connected by it or this in health of children and teenagers, where not last
The role is played by domestic system of irrational use of vaccines.
When in 1948 numerous experts (pediatrists began to spend total-mass bacterination BTSZH in all city and rural maternity homes, and
Phthisiatricians) stated doubts in harmlessness of such action. BTSZH - the alive antibacterial vaccine also cannot be indifferent vysokovospriimchivomu to a contingent of faces in which organism these vaccine micobacteria should be made multiple copies, introducing " small illness or disease of a tuberculosis ". At imperfection of immune system of newborns it is artificial created " small
Illness or Disease " is unpredictable. Besides BTSZH is the strong allergenic factor, capable to provoke any latent infection, with which
The child is born, translating it or her in the is active-acute form that is absolutely undesirable during novorozhdennosti. At carrying out of bacterination BTSZH among tuberkulinpolozhitelnyh children was
It is established or installed, that at them the vaccine does not take root or is not inoculated. It speaks first of all
That these children have already latent tubercular infection,
Caused either vaccine, or other strains of micobacteria, at
Which presence introduction BTSZH does not develop or produce the desirable specific immune answer. But introduction BTSZH is useless and in that case when the child is not subject to disease by a tuberculosis.
It is necessary to remember also "tuberkulinpolozhitelnaja" reaction can be
And because of immunely-genetic memory which is passed from generation in
Generation. Far ancestors could be ill or sick with a tuberculosis, but the subsequent
Generations even if never hurted or were ill;were sick, carry in themselves and pass the
To posterity this immunely-genetic inheritance.
In many countries of the world the inoculation from a tuberculosis is forbidden in connection with its or her danger and uselessness.
In Russia also it is necessary to forbid inoculation BTSZH of newborns. And the more quickly we shall make it, the we shall rescue or save children from those consequences, which more
Cause alive micobacteria of a tuberculosis from which this vaccine is prepared, in view of a different susceptibility to them each concrete child.
Postvaccinal complications, which abundance pediatrists in the last mark or celebrate half a century, can be shown and as the remote consequences, after months and years: allergies, conjunctivitises, dysbacterioses, otites, nasal bleedings,
Anginas, bronchites, pneumonias, a bronchial asthma, inflammatory processes
Genitourinary ways, ostites - disturbances of a locomotorium.
Pediatrists have not noticed a tuberculosis. The SOVIET propagation about " light bezinfektsionnoj lives by means of inoculations " has made the business: not one generation of doctors piously believes in this Utopia. Ichasto the weakened or easied child who has not recovered yet direct or refer on the next inoculation to not break the vaccinating schedule, defining or determining "by eye" not
Only readiness of immune system for struggle against a foreign protein, but also...
Credits of specific antibodies. As a result new impact not only on cells of immune system. All sections of an organism react to the newcomer-
Foreign protein - an antigen. The vicious circle becomes isolated. Vaccines it is literally
Reconstruct " on the general or common lad " individual human nature. It is serious
Additional load on immune system which and without that wears out prematurely in modern conditions of the life, sharply changed environment of the person.
Natural protective forces of an organism evoljutsionno have not been calculated on
Present loads plus regular artificial, afiziologichnoe
Entering of foreign proteins... On a case of "salvage". As a result
The secondary immunodeficiencies quite often leading a paralysis are got
Immune system.
For today, despite of " the most original system of inoculations-
All successively ", Russia borrows or occupies one of the first places in the world on the greatest
To percent or interest of children ill or sick a tuberculosis: annually nearby 2,5 thousand children (!)
Are accepted on the account by antituberculous or antitubercular dispensaries, as patients
The active form of a tuberculosis (under official documents).
Alongside with it or this cautions of old doctors about increase with interest come true
Tuberculosis in case will widely use a vaccine against
Tuberculosis - BTSZH, especially dangerous during novorozhdennosti.
The workshop took place in February, 1999 " Immunoprofilaktika infectious
Illnesses or Diseases at children " the fifth Congress of pediatrists of Russia. It was a question of everything,
Only not about a tuberculosis among the vaccinated children. All academicians and officials,
Decades assured the world " about a victory and liquidation of a tuberculosis in separately
To the taken country owing to mass scheduled scope by inoculations
Newborns ", on the congress tried to bypass a subject of "victory" most
Improbable excuses.
Pediatrists of all Russia, and word about a children's tuberculosis were going to!
To that lgut? Whom deceive? Russia now as never, are necessary healthy
Children. Nevertheless and this time IMMUNOPROFILAKTIKA it was discussed without participation
In her of IMMUNOLOGISTS.
At the same time any more one decade exists is international recognized
Contraindication to introduction of any alive vaccines: immunodefitsitnye statuses
- Both primary (congenital), and secondary - got, and also
Any others immunokomprometirovannye statuses. Who at us defines or determines
These or It, and other numerous contraindications to introduction of this or that
Vaccines?!
And we have that we have: bacterination immunooslablennyh children an alive vaccine
Against a tuberculosis leads not to protection against this infectious disease, and,
On the contrary, to disease by her or it (certainly, exclusively acquisitive
Contingent of faces). Therefore before carrying out of an inoculation it is very important TO KNOW: it is necessary
WHETHER And WHETHER it is possible to vaccinate the concrete person, especially alive vaccine.

Ruler-diagnostician
ON the BACKGROUND of total-mass scope BTSZH annually from one-year-old age up to 15
Years to children spend an intradermal Mantoux test, that tuberkulinovuju
Assay which we mentioned hardly earlier.
Reaction to statement tuberkulinovoj assays combines at us two
immunodiagnosticheskih the answer (absolutely incompatible as a matter of fact!):
Immunity to a tuberculosis) - 5 millimeters is estimated or appreciated;) and
Uniinstantly or In one stage - possible or probable infitsirovannost micobacteria (or disease
Tuberculosis - at all of us it is uniform!) - 6 millimeters.
Let's notice, a difference in 1 millimeter... Also this difference is defined or determined... Student's
Ruler, that in itself absurdity!
It is necessary to remind and explain: EVERYONE WHO HAS received ALIVE VACCINE BTSZH during novorozhdennosti are infected at us (that, by the way, does not mean - are sick) micobacteria. From here follows, that the positive answer " on infitsirovannost " should be at everyone, who to some extent
It is acquisitive to a tuberculosis and who still had "memory" from a violent occurring with micobacteria - BTSZH.
Practice has shown, that tuberkulinovaja assay (Mantoux test) cannot serve as a diagnostic agent after bacterination BTSZH. For an establishment
Actual percent or interest infitsirovannosti the population this diagnostic assay should be used BEFORE BACTERINATION BTSZH. And immunity to a tuberculosis is defined or determined by other tests and outside of an organism of the person. Antituberculous or antitubercular immunity does not depend on presence of antibodies, the result on a functional status of immunocompetent cells here is important. And a method " student's
Rulers " in this case - frank falsification of this or thus PREVENTIVE... The help.

Besides it is well-known: to impart - does not mean to protect. The vaccine can "not work", and imparted or vaccinated is registered in protected, that also concerns to area of profanation. The result is important!
Experts from committee on a bionomics the CART, unlike committee on exercise RPI, having analysed flashes of infectious diseases in different
The countries, send or have come to unequivocal conclusions that infectious diseases
Recede (and without inoculations!) at well-timed diagnostics, at presence
Qualitative water and the balanced delivery at the population, at the strict
DAILY exercise of a complex protivoepidemiologicheskih actions,
That means not only and not so much inoculations...

" Hope that the infectious disease can be won by means of
The vaccines directed against this originator, it has appeared too
Simplified, connected first of all with the nature, properties and varying
Characteristics of originators ", - experts or auditeurs remind the CART.
Besides " to win as a smallpox " everyone is impossible other infectious diseases,
From which demands the approach, the program.

What to do or make?
AUGMENTATION or decrease of populations of viruses and bacteria, their activation
Depends on very many reasons. They borrow or occupy the certain niche, their full
Liquidation can result or bring (and already results or brings!) to unpredictable consequences.
At our offensive or approach to microorganisms from different directions with the purpose " full
Liquidations " we have the right to expect from them intensifying of their aggressive properties,
Activation. It is especially important on a background of weakening
AO?On?-constitutional protective forces of an organism of the person.

It is not necessary to forget and more one very important circumstance: alive vaccines-
These are strains of viruses and bacteria with it is artificial the changed properties. When,
Under what circumstances "mini-illness or mini-disease" as the chronic infection will show
In the form of an acute disease - nobody can predict or forecast itself(himself). As
All our system of inoculations is constructed on one assumptions and guesses.
There is no individual approach, the immunodiagnosis, though does not take root
The domestic enterprises make IMMUNODIAGNOSTICHESKIE PREPARATIONS against infectious diseases...

What to do or make?
First, to listen at last to opinion of experts, half a century acting
Against bacterination BTSZH of newborns, and at any cost to stop this procedure
In obstetrical establishments of Russia.

Secondly, to forbid manufacture and application of alive vaccines, if ours
The country is not ready to definition of the immune status of the population, t. e. To
To competent carrying out of inoculations.

Thirdly, to address to officials and the firms involved to
To vaccinal prevention as it is possible more widely and to introduce modern methods FREE OF CHARGE
Specific immunodiagnosis to have precise representation
About ACTUAL SECURITY of the population from a tuberculosis and others infectious
Illnesses or Diseases. Vaccines always were considered "INEVITABLY UNSAFE".

Fourthly, it is absolutely necessary to know not only an immune layer
The population acquisitive to a tuberculosis but to have qualitative
Diagnostic the test-system, was well-timed revealing or taping sick of a tuberculosis.

Fifthly, it is necessary to create the international independent committee uniting
Experts of different disciplines of medicine and biology, sociology and psychology,
Bionomics and experts in the field of bioethics, and also parents, which children
Have suffered from inoculations or psychological violence over them before
Exercise of this or thus medical

DISEASE-PREVENTION SERVICE.
The basic purpose of committee: control of certification of quality
Vaccines, and also behind carrying out of inoculations within the limits of laws Russian
Federations in the field of public health services: 1. " Bases of the legislation on protection
Health of citizens " (1993); 2. " About medical products " (1998) and 3.
" About immunoprofilaktike infectious diseases " (1998).
Even many doctors on places till now heard nothing about voluntariness
Inoculations in Russia, according to the law " About immunoprofilaktike infectious
Illnesses or Diseases " where it is told or said, that inoculations, as well as any another medical
Intervention, can exclusively be carried out at informed,
The realized and voluntary consent of the patient-citizen, to children - with
Sanctions of parents.

It is necessary to know and remember what to impart and protect - not the same.
There was a substitution of concepts: "vaktsinirovan" on "is protected".
It is necessary to stop to exhaust itself in a labyrinth of problems, and then is excruciatingly with
The greatest expenses and losses to search for an output or exit from it or him, and only because
" By it is necessary to pay in road to our society for ecological
Illiteracy malokompetentnyh and immoral officials ". It is impossible not
To agree with these statements of one of domestic ecologists.

Bionomics from word EJKOS - the house. Each organism of the person - it or him
The individual house demanding the individual and careful attitude or relation.
The primary goal of committee: to not suppose ignorant authority of officials above
The individual nature of each born child. "
Yours faithfully, Grigoriev's family.

The anonym
11.07.2004, 18:50
Immunity from different nosologies is provided in an organism of the person with different mechanisms. From a tuberculosis so-called "unsterile" immunity at which antibodies in an organism are developed or produced in reply to presence of an antigen operates or works. The micobacterium of vaccine strain BTSZH represents an antigen, much less pathogenic, than a wild microbe. The organism of the person, vaktsinirovannogo BTSZH, develops or produces antibodies both to BTSZH, and due to two-dimensional immunity to other related or congenerous originators. Therefore the probability to be ill with a tuberculosis even in case of a becoming infected is much less, than at not imparted or vaccinated.
In due course antibodies are destroyed with a vaccine antigen, accordingly concentration of antibodies decreases, and immunity weakens. Immunity (more precisely speaking, assotsiirovannaja with it or him an allergy) is authentically enough defined or determined by means of a Mantoux reaction. The tuberculin does not comprise bacteria alive dead but only some products of their vital activity and is safe allergen. By the way in occasion of universal bacterination. The Perm physicians, having collided or faced in the region with a high case rate a tuberculosis at children's and teenage age, spent a revaccination not only tuberkulinotritsatelnym to faces, but also faces with doubtful result of a Mantoux reaction in 7, 11 and 15 years. The statistics testifies, that a case rate in group revaktsinirovannyh with doubtful reaction noticeably below, the at those, the the revaccination was not spent. The choice of time for the first bacterination in the first days after a birth is connected with high prevalence of a rod of Kokh, therefore immunity needs to be formed at once. Immunity and an allergy to a tuberculin by right of succession are not passed, maternal antibodies are present in ogranizme the child usually only in the first half a year. So run in a vaccinating cabinet or study and the more quickly the better. I shall not make comments on delirium CHervonskoj, she in general the opponent of all prophylaxis. If you polemic with its or her point of view interests, both its or her clause or article, and authoritative opinion of mister Onishchenko in this occasion read on remedicus.ru.

Rita
13.07.2004, 03:27
If it is short. You and only you solve, when also what inoculations to do or make to the child, the doctor only " urgently recommends ". Do not wish to do or make - write refusal. Will make, when want. By the way, the responsibility is carried in this case only by you.