The reference or manipulation behind the help to the informed people!

[asdefer]

pozhajlusta prompt, help or assist somebody advice or council real.


What new more thin methods of definition of a HIV of an infection, except for the simple analysis on antibodies to vich have now appeared? And where in what what center of city of Russia it is possible to hand over such analyses? I live In Krasnoyarsk region. I heard that there are what that methods of definition of the virus in an organism, instead of anitel. As can pass or take place more than 5 years after the possible or probable moment of infection, before antibodies vyrabatujutsja. What is it depends individually on primary health and immunity of each concrete person. (I still had suspicions not causeless.. Has passed or has taken place 4 years after dangerous not protected podozritelngo contact and after that I seriously was ill.. Though also the analysis on antibodies - always negative. (on immunogram CD4 - only 700 in natural expression, in %-25 every year the digit decreases)


I shall be very grateful for the help to all


Yours faithfully SVETLANA


pozhajlusta do not disregard my report.

[Bokk]

Svetlana,


I here not most informed, here am afraid. But in your case I can tell or say to you if through 4 year the analysis on antibodies negative the HIV at you is not present 100 %.


On rummage on the Internet. Napimer www. $$$


www. Nedug. Ru. www.thebody.com

[Mama]

pozhajlusta do not disregard my report..........


Has closely familiarized.

[MARINA JUREVNA]

If 4 years a minus there is no at you a HIV! Certainly, if you want, you can make qualitative PTSR the analysis in Moscow for example. Look or see here here (http: // www. Nedug. Ru/05.htm).


Immunity decreases at any sore, especially if there is in an organism any chronic infection. It is absolutely unessential to bring down all on a HIV, especially at you parameters in norm or rate.

[anelja]

Svetlana, not parsja in searches of what cannot be. The maximal term of "window" when the virus in a blood already is, and still is not present antibodies, makes SIX MONTHS.

[mayak]

sapiens


The maximal term is 1 year though and here were pretsendenty, but this all passes or takes place as a rule under observation of the doctor and to these facts there are logical explanations. On term of 6 months, yes it is 99 % of accuracy. But not 100 %





P.S. By the way for compilation, fees:-) as a rule rely

[Newman]

Mr. sapiens, urgently give out please fairly demanded fee to Mr. Lisss!;-D

[DJUDI]

Thanks all. But unfortunately, all is not simple as it seems. I have in view of, the information in occasion of during present or true time not exact as it is not studied or investigated up to the extremity or end. Also can be anything you like. In different sources there are divergences in opinions. This that also guards.


k Idiot'y:


You know to me (for two years of wanderings on medical institutions... As serious problems with health to put it mildly) it was necessary to collide or face with such phenomenon in medicine as: lozhno'polozhitelnyj and lozhno'otritsatelnyj result. And physicians in this case are lost and make a helpless gesture. From such information at all on itself there is and on nimaesh, that all in medicine rather.


To OCD'er:


About my parameters - they it is far not in norm or rate. At least according to immunologic laboratory of Krasnoyarsk region. o can everywhere the methods and calculations and digits accordingly. Here I result or bring as is from a paper:


Cellular part of immunity


T-helpers (%) CD4-of 25 % (norm or rate 38-46)


T- (%) CD8-42 (norm or rate 28-40)


Index Tx/Tc - 0.6 (norm or rate 1.2 2.0)


In natural vyr.


T-helpers CD4-700 (norm or rate 1800)


And the stage of an immunodeficiency begins with parameter CD4-400 in nat. Size.


At an index 0.4-.


Who can knows, that such happens and


"Healthy" people?

[The sun]

Well so about that that and speech that false-negative can be only about one year. And after a year if there was no technical mistake or error of the personnel that false-negative cannot be.


You esteem more attentively materials on sites. There all is written.

[Amira]

Light! It is necessary to search for the center of a chronic infection in an organism - the gynecologist, the stomatologist, an ENT, the lung specialist and further under the list. Your status does not concern a HIV. It is better to be surveyed in a complex in good clinic.

[Gala]

Mda... Now you have more full resulted or brought an immunogram, though and not completely. Really not so it is cheerful. But,


Where you saw it, what norm or rate CD4 1800???


( " T-helpers CD4-700 (norm or rate 1800) " )


The norm or rate 500...1500.1800 is perhaps already much and yours 700 it is quite quite good, the truth considering rather low relative maintenance or contents T of helpers, it is possible to consider or count, what is it at you the bottom border of norm or rate. HOLES-WE! Worse with immunoreguljatornym an index. Can myslishki really creep in about a HIV, but with negative results within 4 (!)th years this hypothesis can be rejected. The truth make on any case PTSR, but I am almost assured or confident, that he only will confirm otritsatelye results IFA. It is possible and immunoblot to make even which too should be at yours IFA negative.


In occasion of relative maintenance or contents CD4 I know such parameters for norm or rate: 25...40 %, that a little, but insignificantly differ from the value or meanings;importance resulted or brought by you. Not in norm or rate at you only a parity or ratio helpers/?OON??OU.


It can be caused or called by everything except for a HIV. Well for example oppression of the O-part of cellular immunity and a similar disproportion helpers/?OON??OU it is characteristic for chronic persistentsii a staphylococcal infection in an organism. Without ceremony. Whether Yes it is not enough still that can be?! How much years it is possible to search for a HIV, missing all time the true reason?


By the way, threat AIDS arises at depression of quantity or amount CD4 below 200, instead of 400 as you have written.

[WELL]

TO sapiens:


(" It is necessary to search for the center hronichekskoj infections-gynecologists, the stomatologist, an ENT, the lung specialist and further under the list ")


In that continually .za two years-th has already passed or has already taken place this list.. A heap of inspections, and a result a zero. In a heap to connect or bind is going to nobody. Even if understand, that signs of infectious virus character.. Do not offer anything who is afraid or rather afraid to undertake (from soobrazhenij-as though worse to not make) who simply is not competent therefore as cannot understand which virus gives such. The center of a chronic infection at me all organism, instead of a concrete place. (therefore as has gone on accrueing or increasing- up to lesion TSNS. I am already bad hozhu-only at home) And all excruciatings have begun after that not protected contact.. propodi he propodom. I am engaged independently in searches.. And it is easier to them to give group invalid's, than to understand. Coming to the therapist.. Makes a helpless gesture and : it is necessary somewhere in horoshoe a place to go.. And where nobody speaks. To me without it or her it is clear, that is necessary.. And where. Mill the wind there is "football" from one cabinet or study in other, each physician tries to throw off from itself the responsibility on another and so on a circle.





" " It is better to be surveyed in a complex in good clinic. ""





I understand, it is easy or light to tell or say.. But in what? Here in what a question. Kto-somebody knows where really understand and help or assist? Even inspection do or make serious to learn or find out from what infection???


Institute of what (scientific research institute) or clinic??? (start up and for the money) Prompt pozhajlusta!!

[Kiuts]

TO OCD'er:


" " Where you saw it, what norm or rate CD4 1800??? " "


Such information black on belomu-on the poster in our center anti-. Here do or make conclusions...


I can result or bring a full immunogram. Only it is data of the last year 2004 and it is not known as business or affairs now are. Now it is necessary to do or make anew.


But that most interesnoe-according to immunogrammy-the immunologist sees, that virus activity takes place to be, and also, that I immmunitet on digits does not react to an infection, that is does not make active or will activate force on struggle. In general immunity does not struggle as is lowered to a limit. And at the same time she does not dare to stimulate immunity preparations.





I have not absolutely understood: Is PTSR qualitative and PTSR quantitative like? Correctly? And where these analyses can be made except for Moscow? And immunoblot in what consists? And too where do or make? Only in Moscow...?





"... It is characteristic for chronic persistentsii a staphylococcal infection in an organism. Without ceremony. Whether Yes it is not enough still that can be?! How much years it is possible to search for a HIV, missing all time the true reason? " "





I understand... Also I do not go in cycles on vich, but sometimes in such my (!) situation to have to come back to this subject, and it is not unreasonable.


Yes become correct you govorish-any infection can prichinoju but how to learn or find out which? Tell or say a staphilococcus define or determine by birth? Or still kakto? And -to authentic. (I only doubt, that sexual have by brought such infection.. Here something become serious)


And the true reason is missed not by me, and not on the to the initiative... Such ours meditsina.:)

[Siringa]

Svetlanas, and everyone, who in a course! Anything in it or this I do not understand - has received the minus and now I am pleased lives, but here such piece " CD4 + - 20, depression of absolute quantity or amount of lymphocytes, depression CD4 + cells in otnositelonyh both absolute numbers and absolute maintenance or contents CD8 + cells, depression of absolute maintenance or contents CD19+ " with all this on background RGG. Have told or said - I shall live)

[Dmitri_1]

Svetlana, and on herpes and TSMV you was checked?

[Kate1111]

Clear


If you feel well certainly WHILE you do not need to worry about such digits, but to reflect and poberechsja it is important. It is obligatory to arrange for rising protective forces of an organism: it both a way of life and a high-grade delivery (natural) in general all agents of the nature. (their blessing-th is enough) .luchshe to strengthen positions in advance about health. And that then (fie fie).. As at me, stimulation of immunity will be already counter-indicative. (I have in view of.. When already a neuroinfection)


Clear, that such: ".. On background RGG?? "





Ken:


And the herpes at me always were.. Since a birth and TSMV is. But not these infections-all prichinoju.tak as I with them the vein all life not bolela-was engaged seriously in sports and conducted a healthy way of life. And malfunctions serious have begun after not protected contact.. It is another kakajato an infection. I have late started to live a sexual life almost in 21 years. And the sexual partner was only one mine drug.kontakt always was in a condom. But then there was this fatal not protected contact with unfamiliar to me the person... And after that I seriously was ill on accrueing or increasing. And after that to me not up to ...-th I do not live a sexual life.


The only thing about what I dream - to recover.

[Masjanja]

2 Svetlana: Retsedivirujushchy genetalnyj herpes. In Moscow is Gerpetichesky the center. There also I am surveyed, there and calm or abirritate also all very popularly explain. Simply about this CD4 + has not had time to talk in detail. After August, 11th it will be ready onkotsitologija then we shall talk. One pleases, that eyes round do not do or make and not silent mysteriously-is significantly. I.e. me it is not terrible. And about a healthy way of life it is correctly noticed. To smoke has thrown, alcohol I think, I can only red wine and that hardly - hardly....

[Aya]

Clear,


CD4 + 20??? I Hope percent or interests?))))))) if cells it is AIDS;-D.


At you and T and In-part cellular immunity it is suppressed. The reason I shall not tell or say. If disturbs, descend or go to the immunologist. And it is better, if you feel normally, have a drink vitamiki, BADy what-string, it is more than rest, etc.


To live really you will.))) for a HIV similar depression of cellular immunity is not characteristic, as confirms your analysis. By the way happy birthday!:-)





Svetlana,


Something strange at you in black and white write. CD4=1800 is somehow very abruptly. I at such parameters and at the OO/hardware> 2.5 would run at once on the O-lymphotropic virus prverjatsja.


Something as I see would be glad to help or assist you, that you really have a real problem, but have no right, and corresponding or meeting qualification since itself not the physician. Very well I understand as difficultly at times there is to doctors who do not know what to do or make plainly, but anything else, except for how to address to the good doctor, cannot advise.


Where do or make PTSR, except for Moscow, I do not know. Cities Vkrupnyh precisely should do or make. It is necessary to learn or find out in kazhdoi a concrete case on a place.


Immunoblot - the same serologichesky the test (IFA), only a reactant not the general or common to most immunogennym to fibers of a virus in an admixture in one vial or flask, and reagents to antibodies against fibers of a virus are distributed or allocated on a stria (strip) on masses. Therefore on itself it is possible to see more, than simply there is a reaction/is not present of reaction, as in usual IFA. But it or him use only as confirming test, if positive take IFA has already been received as to do or make screening on blotah and is dear or expensive and not so informatively, since in a blood of many people of not having HIV there can be antibodies to other antigens, which can give reaction of the some people (not all certainly) strips in blote. Therefore the gold standard of diagnostics is + if IFA it is positive. In your case probably it would be necessary to make just in case blot. Do or make it or him everywhere where check on a HIV, but can give up without positive take IFA though for money all is usually done or made. There are commercial laboratories or any self-supporting services in usual state laboratories.


About a staphilococcus I have resulted or brought only one example. It or him define or determine a tank crop of a blood (on sterility) (if will find it is absolutely bad since it is a sepsis, but it hardly your case) and a tank crop separated skins, for example, or from a surface mucous, etc.


And to catch it or him it is possible at a kiss, at contact to a skin, on kotoj he is, etc.


If at you it is already amazed or struck TSNS business serious and necessarily should be found out the reason. Go on other doctors or go somewhere where it is possible to be surveyed completely.

[Catherine]

OCD'er! Thanks!) and I very much appreciate this day))

[elka]

OCD'er


" " I at such parameters and at the OO/hardware> 2.5 would run at once on the O-lymphotropic virus prverjatsja " "


I here have not understood that you have in view of?


What means on the O-lymphotropic virus to be checked? It is necessary for me?





And it is unessential to be the physician.. To help or assist. It is simply possible to possess the corresponding or meeting information....


Yes, the address concrete the concrete center, laboratory or scientific research institute is really necessary to me. The matter is that physicians in our districts (Krasnoyarsk region) offer nothing to us.. Therefore I try find people in the Internet who the help can. But in an Internet -to the information everyone advertises or promotes itself(himself), that are lost to itself to address. And at such forums vsetaki it is possible to learn or find out more from the simple population-them responses about this or that establishment. Or someone has communications or connections with medicine directly.


Whether who can nibud from forumchan recommend a concrete place:, and it is better than scientific research institute-where do or make serious c for definition of an infection???

[vostok]

Svetlana,





" That means on the O-lymphotropic virus to be checked? It is necessary for me? "





No, it is not necessary for you. The immunogram for it or him is absolutely uncharacteristic.





The laboratory in scientific research institute Epidemiologii in Moscow is considered the best in Russia. Except for scientific research institute Epidemiologii in Moscow there is a scientific research institute of Virology and scientific research institute of the Immunology. To put it briefly, is where to address for the qualified help.


Do not get on cheap self-advertisement private or individual honey. Establishments in the Network!

[RSV]

OCD'er


I am sincerely grateful to you for responsiveness. Thanks.





Tell or Say who knows, in the Moscow center-... Analyses and an immunogram really do or make free of charge? And if yes, only to muscovites or any inhabitant of the Russia who have addressed??

[gas_girl]

Analyses on a HIV. All rest is really free-of-charge to muscovites at which HIV and in some cases nemoskvicham, but that at which HIV +

[Administrator]

C and why you are assured, what your disease has the infectious nature? Simply all (down to an immunogram and bad walking) something is very familiar to me... Look or See in an Internet signs rassejanogo a sclerosis, for example (only be not loaded strongly), still it is a lot of on light neopoznannyh prelestej with a similar symptomatology... Success to you! Give the God that all was found out, only it seems to me, that viruses here neprichyom.

[Alex]

Angela


".. And in some cases nemoskvicham "


And you can tell or say in what some cases?


THAT IS presence of an insurance policy.. Does not give a guarantee that the immunogram is free-of-charge?


And in general ktonibud let from other cities podelites-in the centers anti- as should be actually: At us the price-list of the prices for all of service even on vich for example hangs, but on paid reception at the immunologist the first time having addressed someone pays for an immunogram and someone is free-of-charge. Results vich here neprichem... As on different questions address to the immunologist..


How to learn or find out in this case... What it is necessary free of charge?? Whether has value or meaning;importance a direction from the doctor? (and me once free of charge did or made an immunogram.. And in dr. In the same place platno!)








Tatyana


And rassejanyj the sclerosis for example has the infectious nature. A neuroinfection that is. In each case the reason can be different, but sense one. And I am assured because I know the zhizn-from what have begun, as proceeded and than zakonchilos.vernee and to this day proceeds.