All super!!!!

[geksogen]

The life is perfect, even if your status +!!!!! Who with me agrees????

[Endoscopist]

Completely with you sogl.)))))))))

[MeL]

In-in.. I think even in walruses to enter the name.. To not hurt or not be ill;not be sick

[ryw]

Pancake... Yes from where in you it is so much optimism.....? Who Can share....? =)
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Optimism in us from positivity - things related or congenerous!
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Jess,





The optimist is badly informed pessemist (((

[The boy still]

It can be false optimism. Euphoria - a status opposite to depression.


Depression arises, when the person, faced a problem, goes in cycles in a conclusion (idea), that while the problem is not solved - all badly (literally all).


Euphoria is when the person opposite, faced a problem which could not solve, tries to not notice it or her in every way. In other words, escapes from that fact, that the problem is.


Both is only two parties or sides of one medal: a unresolved problem. Behavioural displays can be different, but a short (presence of a problem both at "optimists" and at "pessimists") the same.


Problems should be solved, instead of tsiklitsja on conclusions in what the party or side they order or conducted.

[Dmitry]

Well here last or last has bent or has bent (as kapibara can be both samej and samka you excuse) are informed all very well, believe. And we are pleased, because it is necessary to be pleased to each day, only people understand it when something happens. I in general consider or count, that the HIV simply opens to a certain extent eyes on the world. Well I think it not for all it will be clear, unfortunately. And problems-they at everything to die as all it is terrible both sick and healthy. Also there are no guarantees, that patients will die earlier, simply people think a life long, an are not present, 20,30,40 and is very fast. Lan, and that I already podraschuvstvovalas.

[Alexey]

Well also what to sense, what we are informed? Here you are informed (), - and what? You are healthy ()?


I have not told or said, that we are not informed, on the contrary, becoming informed about presence of a problem, but not solved a problem, we (people) are inclined to escape from it or her either in depression, or in euphoria.


" Opens eyes for a life " - at you that, up to this eye badly worked? The diagnosis of a HIV + has corrected to you vision? - I do not think, more likely at you the opinion on how it is necessary (?) to live has only exchanged.


I am afraid, that euphoria in this case is only action of pavor "nedobrat", "nedozhit", "to overlook", "nedoprobovat", "nedoudovletvoritsja".


Those who become "rithteous persons" - too victims of the same pavor, is simple with another mneneim how it is necessary (?) to live.


The strongest pavor from all is a pavor to feel fear (pavor of pavor). He does or makes possible or probable euphoria or depression. If the person can ascertain, that he is afraid, but to not escape from it or this will not be euphorias depressions, there will be no false cheerfulness, there is only a problem. False because " we positive " is typical " a feast during a plague ". Anything positive that I am sick I I do not see (if you see in it or this something positive or you incorrectly understand value or meaning;importance of this word - consult a dictionary, or you deceive yourselves - drink valerjany, address to the neuropathologist, and after it or him to the psychotherapist), and all rest is affected to cover pavor.


I understand, that from education and traditions (our sources of models of behaviour) to us these or thus are known only two, and till one way of the reference or manipulation with pavor: to escape from it or him, but in this case it is necessary to look or see at things more seriously as it is a question of a life, instead of about social toys, like pavor before the wife (husband), etc.


It is not necessary to perceive told or said for depression: I do not have depression. When to me it is ridiculous - I am dared or laugh, when to me is sad - I long, when is tired - I have a rest, etc. I know, that I am afraid, but I know it each time when I am afraid. I look and I see " am afraid ". Then I speak " yes, I am afraid, we shall look or see... ". Then the pavor really ceases to operate or work.


But I do not think out to myself new model of behaviour, like " I should live! ", or " I should not be afraid! ", or " I cheerful! ".


Any time I was engaged in it or this, but then I began to look, that has changed together with the diagnosis. It was found out, that my model of behaviour has changed. I never was engaged in such nonsense earlier how to speak myself " I should (further who of that) ", and now began to be engaged. I never limited myself in understanding problems with health, and now I limit. The pavor has got literally into each my idea. I began to be afraid to tell or say to people a superfluous word against their opinion because " it is not good ", I began stratsja to look at the world positively (ponder that for the foolish phrase " to try to look! ". It is impossible to try to look, it is possible to look only!. To try it is possible to put on that you see any pink glasses or spots. "To look" as action is to receive, a passive status. How it is possible to try in in what you not uchastvesh?). All this - only to distract (to escape) from pavor.


Now I do not escape from pavor, I know that I am afraid and I look at the pavor. Strangely enough, but the pavor does not suffer or bear one thing: he suffers or bears a view in the party or side.


If you look (only you look, you do or make nothing), he is dissolved and nakes or exposes the reason. Having understood the reason of pavor (having glanced though time under a bed and having found out, that there anything is not present), I cannot be afraid any more

[SHI]

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[GT]

"... I do not wish to continue conversation, with such attitude it is bad... "


I just about it or this. We are inclined to think, that " if we about a problem do not think, it or her is not present ", but it not so!


To speak itself " I do not wish to think, to me from it or this it is bad " is to deceive myself. All the same, that I shall not speak " to wash a toilet after myself, there durno smells!!! ". Badly not from dumanija but only that dumanie deadlocks or calls, and (or the closed cycle dumanija) causes deadlock pavor. A cycle will close:


1. there is a problem


2. It is necessary to solve


3. How?


4. Information search (the ready decision!!!)


5. The ready decision is not present - *gt; return to 1.


The closed cycle for any "thinking" device (a brain not exception) is a dangerous situation. The brain works pavor (flight) for " a dangerous situation ".


That there was no closed cycle, it is necessary to make changes to algorithm: it is not necessary to search the ready decision. Then dumanie becomes constructive (it is used to destination).


The pavor causes dependence in the questions, a concerning or touching health. We have simply got used (and it is the truth), that always somewhere for us someone has solved a problem. Unresolved problems, on the contrary, are simply ignored by a society, or - when ignoring becomes impossible - sozzdajutsja myths and legends about a problem which cause pavor (you there do not go, and that the snow bashka will fall...). Thus the public opinion is formed.


The paradox consists that we are patients - too a part of this society, the public opinion for us has not smaller value or meaning;importance, than for other part of a society. If all society is afraid, being a part of a society, we shall be afraid too (that already itself is paradoxical). If you even slightly work and will look more closely or attentively at the reactions to a subject vich and spida, you can see, how it occurs or happens. As an excellent or a different example can serve sleng: pluss / minuses (). We not pluss and not minuses, we -infected, sick of a -infection, patients spidom, simply sick, but in any way + or-. It is difficult to name myself patients only because of pavor (you do not speak, that you ORVI +, you speak " I I am ill or sick with a flu "!!!). Look or see even at this fact slenga: it more than an obvious thing (if, certainly, someone is interesting for finding out it).


Further, there is quite medical fact about presence of immediate communication or connection of a status of immune system and presence / quantity or amount of stress. Than stress, especially ugnetena immune system, down to acute statuses of an immunodeficiency more. The pavor, constant pavor that the status in a society can "reveal", at job that is impossible poznakomitsja and to not be soared, that will not send there and then, that is impossible, it (when on the contrary, all is possible is the same) - is impossible for all this constant, flaccid, incessant stress.


I suppose, what not all from us so live, but greater or big (and can be and greater or big) a part - so. It can be seen on depressive or ejforichnym to reports at this forum. Here practically you will not meet a sober view.


Probably, someone is not pleasant that I speak - do not take a word, try to check up in itself. Do not know as - try to consult with the expert (the psychologist, the neuropathologist, the psychiatrist, the immunologist). Probably, that the reason of an aggravation of symptoms (at at whom it worsens) in incessant stress. At least it does not contradict by no means to modern medical theories about functioning immune system.

[ato]

It is not necessary to perceive all privratno and to paraphrase, all of us here witty, (it concerns to eyes) .pochemu you think, what here everyone are afraid? Voobshchem actually good, at all I do not wish to continue conversation. With such attitude it is bad.