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Natalia, 25 years
18.05.2004, 05:23
At me the alkaline medium, spermatozoons at once perish.
Tell or Say what to do or make, please?

Natalia, 25 years
19.05.2004, 15:47
Light, Thanks big for participation in my problem.
I shall necessarily put your advice or council into practice. I not vegetarianka how to reconsider a diet what to exclude better? Health to you and all good.

popenko. Century
20.05.2004, 21:09
Natalia. Incompatibility of a semen with vulval or vaginal contents is the indication for treatment by a method of an artificial insemination.
In more detail about this method you can look or see on a site http: // www. mcrmt. ru
Yours faithfully To. M. N.Popenko Elena Vasilevna

Kamenetskij B.A.
21.05.2004, 11:11
Natalia! At once I wish to notice, that shift pH mediums in the alkaline party or side is connected first of all with inflammatory process and consequently the answer to your question tlko one - to treat an inflammation. In norm or rate a hydrogen parameter vaginalnogo separated, describing its or his acidity, makes 3, 8 4, 5. Therefore methods which recommended you Sveta and d-r popenko in the given situation are unacceptable. I shall explain why: Bezkontrolnoe application r-rov changing vulval or vaginal medium can lead to even more expressed inflammation and serious change of a microflora of a vagina. As if to application of an artificial insemination she in this case is not shown, t. To. Normal pH an ejaculate 7, 2 and above and the alkaline medium (in itself) does not act on them perniciously. Mistakes or errors in interpreting this parameter are possible or probable also. So in avoidance of mistakes or errors in the clinical diagnosis it iisledovanie do not spend during a menses, in current of 2 3 days after the sexual relations (the semen can change rn vaginalnogo separated), and also on a background of use of antibacterial or hormonal preparations. If a question sotoit in immunologic incompatibility, definition pH here at anything. Below I would like to result or bring the list of the inspection, allowing to establish or install the reason of sterility or barrenness and to spend the adequate treatment, recommended in the International Center Genesial Medicine (SPb). Naturally, at revealing any pathology this list can be changed:

Inspection of the husband:
1. spermogramma in view of 3 5 days of continence
2. Morphological research of spermatozoons on Kruger
3. Bacteriological research of an ejaculate

Inspection of the wife:
1. Research of a status of a uterus and permeability of uterine pipes a hysterography or a hysteroscopy and a laparoscopy
2. Analyses of a blood on FSG, LG, 2 (Oestradiolum), Prolactinum, Testosteron-Depotum, Progesteronum, 3, 4, TTG
3. Inspection of a blood on presence antispermalnyh and antifosfolipidnyh antibodies
4. The conclusions of narrow experts under indications
5. Bacteriological research of a material from a urethra and the cervical channel on chlamydias, a mycoplasma and a ureaplasma

Except for the aforesaid before carrying out of procedure EKO (if it is necessary), we spend series of the researches necessary for carrying out of an operative measure (group of a blood and rezus-the factor, analyses of a blood on RW, AIDS and the Australian antigen, the analysis of a blood on a/t to a virus of a hepatitis With, the clinical analysis of a blood + coagulability, smears on flora and a degree of cleanliness, documents on the inspection spent earlier and treatment)

Yours faithfully
To. M. n. B.Kamenetsky
In occasion of carrying out of procedure EKO you can address for the detailed information in the Center on bodies (812 3282251 or 3289822 (by the way at the link to the information received in the Internet, primary consultation will be free-of-charge)

Kamenetskij B.A.
21.05.2004, 17:27
PS. For definition t. n. Biological incompatibility which in this case could be certain, spend tests described by me below. The medical diagnosis biological incompatibility of spouses does not exist. At a household level this term is used often. An occasion for such conclusion, - visible, became cases when after disintegration of a fruitless married couple, in new family the former husband or the wife have children. Sterility or barrenness is an illness or a disease (the diagnosis is included into classification of illnesses or diseases). Therefore, when spouses speak are practically healthy , it only means, that the reason of sterility or barrenness is not found. However, the problem of sterility or barrenness very complex or difficult and modern classification of the reasons of sterility or barrenness of the World organization of public health services includes (CART) inexplicable (idiopathic, without the visible reasons) sterility or barrenness and unstated sterility or barrenness (the reason accessible methods of diagnostics to establish or install did not possible) which on ignorance can are carried to biological nesovmestivosti though them and are not.
Two reasons, really, can be carried to "biological" incompatibility. The first is an immunologic sterility or barrenness, t. e. Sterility or barrenness connected with disturbances in immune system. The immune system provides protection of an organism against harmful influences. Disturbance of function immunoj systems can be shown that spermatozoons are perceived by an organism of the woman as the harmful agent .
It is possible to consider or count as other such reason the cervical (cervical) factor. For statement of the diagnosis of the sterility or barrenness caused by the cervical factor, in 1895 Russian scientist N.K.Shuvarsky has suggested to use biological assay of influence vulval or vaginal vydeleny on a semen. Later this assay (as it usually happens) has been modified foreign Gunterom and to this day wears their names. The short consists in the following: in 1 2 hours after the sexual relations under a microscope the material received from a vagina is investigated or researched. If in a preparation under greater or big augmentation mobile spermatozoons (5 and more) assay is considered positive are found out and it is necessary to search for the reason further. If mobile spermatozoons do not find, assay can be regarded as negative and one of the reasons - fatal influence of vulval or vaginal contents on spermatozoons. Certainly, these conclusions are correct, if before statement of this assay in the received ejaculate (a semen collected by a masturbation) there was enough of normal spermatozoons. However in a vagina and under normal conditions perishes about 30 % of spermatozoons and only the most hardy reach or achieve the cervical (cervical) channel to put to the following on trial - to influence of cervical slime. For an estimation of this stage of movement of a spermatozoon to the treasured purpose (to an ootid) in medicine Kurtsroka-Miller's assay (both of the foreigner, have thought up assay in 1928) is used. Cervical slime place under a microscope together with an ejaculate of the husband. to. Both substances are in a colloid status in artificial conditions they are insoluble in each other and come into contact only in a zone of contact. In norm or rate in 20 30 minutes spermatozoons in the form of separate wedges get into a drop of slime and continue the movement. If penetration does not occur or happen, it is possible to speak about t. n. The cervical factor of sterility or barrenness.
Researches of last decade have revealed still a lot of the factors causing incompatibility of a married couple. All these factors have been incorporated in group of immunologic sterility or barrenness. The leaging role here belongs antispermalnym to antibodies.
The question on a role antispermalnyh antibodies (AsAT) in sterility or barrenness and genesial losses is discussed in the literature from the beginning 80 h years. In physiological conditions the AsAT are not formed, first of all owing to existence supressornyh (overwhelming their activity) mechanisms both in a semen, and in a genesial tract of the woman.
In disturbance physiological supressii antigens of a semen can result or bring inflammatory diseases of a female sexual tract, as clinically shown, and with asymptomatic current. It is shown, that at women with seksualno-transmissible illnesses or diseases (illnesses or diseases passed sexual by) frequency of revealing the AsAT above, than at healthy women. antispermalnye antibodies can be found out in women in all departments of genesial system from a vagina up to a follicular liquid and in a blood. Thus it is noted, that presence circulating in a blood the AsAT not always is connected with presence of antibodies in a genesial tract.
Their damaging or injuring effects are diverse and can be divided or undressed on two groups:
The Effects immediately influencing process of a fertilization, consist in suppression of migration of spermatozoons through the cervical channel (it or this and the cervical factor speaks), disturbance postupatelno-progressive movement of spermatozoons and their destruction in a genesial tract of the woman, blocking of an attachment and penetration of a spermatozoon into an ootid, etc.
The Effects rendering negative influence already after a fertilization of an ootid by a spermatozoon: disturbance of crushing and normal development of embryoses (germ), direct negative action on viability of a developing embryos.
Different methods are applied to neutralization the AsAT. One of them is intravenous introduction gammaglobulina which last years is widely used abroad for correction of various autoimmune statuses. However high cost of this method limits its or his use at us in the country.
In the alternative and accessible way of treatment is immunotsitoterapija allogenic leucocytes. During the last 20 ti years immunotsitoterapija it is successfully used for prophylaxis and treatment of habitual spontaneous abortions.
Qualitative inspection can be provided in the specialized centers what are, in particular, the centers of planning of family and a reproduction which are in the majority of regions of Russia.
It is necessary to emphasize also, that all kinds of "biological" incompatibility including inexplicable sterility or barrenness, can be overcome by means of modern auxiliary genesial technologies, in particular by means of an extracorporal fertilization (EKO). So, that sterility or barrenness iz-for biological incompatibility is not a verdict.
Yours faithfully
To. M. n. B.Kamenetsky
In occasion of carrying out of procedure EKO you can address for the detailed information in the Center on bodies (812 3282251 or 3289822 (by the way at the link to the information received on this site, primary consultation will be free-of-charge)